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Old Jul 09, 2011, 11:38 PM // 23:38   #1
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Default *SPOILER* Togo's Son?

Anyone else get the feeling that Initiate Zei Ri is Togo's son??

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Initiate Zei Ri: So many lives were lost to the Afflicted. Yet, no matter how large the number, it doesn't have as much impact on me as an individual loss.
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Initiate Zei Ri: My father was one of the casualties. There was a time, as a younger man, when I wished nothing more than for him to be gone. Looking back on that now...
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Initiate Zei Ri: He was a strict man, my father. He was impossibly hard on me at times. I always thought he resented me. Too late, I came top understand that was just his way of showing he cared for me.
I just get that feeling...

Thoughts?

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Old Jul 09, 2011, 11:47 PM // 23:47   #2
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Togo was the son of a concubine and the emperor. So Togo also had a mistress?

I doubt it. His death is famous, so we would know Togo was "at peace" when he died. Hell, he's even in the temple as a spirit. We don't know if Zen Ri's father was "at peace when he died", but Togo definitely is...
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Old Jul 09, 2011, 11:50 PM // 23:50   #3
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Fair enough.

Thoughts on who Initiate Zei Ri's father is?
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 12:40 AM // 00:40   #4
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Im not that into the detailed lore of the game. But Minister Cho might be a candidate? He mutates into an afflicted during the mission and is then killed by the party, so he must be considered dead in the story thereafter.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 01:08 AM // 01:08   #5
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Togo never came across as strict to me.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 02:16 AM // 02:16   #6
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In Sunjiang District, Zei says something about wondering if his father was turned into an Afflicted and wonder what he'd feel if he saw such, indicating that he never knew what happened to his father's body (soul is another story).

At the end of Cleansing Morostav Trail, he says he's going to Tahnnakai Temple to pay his respects.

Honestly, some lines scream "he's Togo's son!" while others deny that possibility.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 02:42 AM // 02:42   #7
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Hmmm, it would be possible and all in all the man shares some annoying traits with that NPC. Togo was suicidal and this guy creates trains of afflicted as he runs back towards you if you wipe.

Both annoying at the wrong times.

It would be an interesting twist, but of course, we probably won't find out until part 3.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 07:38 AM // 07:38   #8
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Tahnnakai Temple is a place of worship im assuming so just because npc X pays respect there doesnt really mean much at all.He may be paying respect to family members who died or even paying respect to the 6 gods.
Also remember at times anet does do storylines that often make no sense - koss an melonni... whats the story between the 2 ? well there isnt actually 1 but anet hints at it,Cynn and mhenlo.
If there is a method to anets madness in storylines then we will either find out at end of phase 3 or be left wondering.

I can never understand how ppl want absolute law in a game - i play for fun yet others want basically a novel type game.Its a game thats 6 yrs old and i doubt 6 yrs ago anet considered how big a game gw would become.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 08:25 AM // 08:25   #9
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Togo never came across as strict to me.
coming from an asian family (father is a boat person) , Dad was unusually strict towards us but rather good when mentoring other people. Not agreeing that Zei Ri's dad is Togo but that is not a reason to discount it.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 10:48 AM // 10:48   #10
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Perhaps he's Guardsman Zui's lost son?

We meet him during Minister's Cho Estate as a young boy running around in fear and even if his father is most likely turned into an Afflicted, we never get to know his fate explicitly.

I don't think Zei Ri could be Togo's son. His sacrifice at the end of the Factions campaign is so well known that Zei Ri would know what was of his father, like everybody else.

Maybe he's just son of one of the casualties with no particular identity?

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Old Jul 10, 2011, 11:04 AM // 11:04   #11
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Don't think it can be the Guardsman's son either,timescale doesn't work. It's only been a few years don't forget. Most likely he's just getting nostalgic over a generic background. Plus going to the temple to pay respects would be aimed at the casualties from the affliction, not necessarily one person.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 03:35 PM // 15:35   #12
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coming from an asian family (father is a boat person) , Dad was unusually strict towards us but rather good when mentoring other people. Not agreeing that Zei Ri's dad is Togo but that is not a reason to discount it.
^This makes me LOL. My dad is the same. I'm also asian.
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 03:46 PM // 15:46   #13
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Rather intriguingly, if Zei Ri is Togo's son, and the current Emperor dies childless, that will make him the next Emperor (shared bloodline). His son could then be the one to isolate Cantha in 27 years time...
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Old Jul 10, 2011, 07:17 PM // 19:17   #14
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I don't think he is Togo's son. From what Zei Ri said, it sounds as if his father was lost to the Affliction, as in he became sickened/afflicted. Togo was killed by Shiro. Hell, in the mission that Togo was killed in, there wasn't even a single Afflicted creature. Just my 2 cents.
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Old Jul 15, 2011, 03:43 PM // 15:43   #15
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Not necessarily - from what I recall of his quotes, he was still hopeful that his father had died cleanly rather than succumbing to the Affliction. The impression I've always had is that someone who actually dies can't then succumb to the Affliction - we see people dying and being replaced by Afflicted in missions such as Vizunah Square, but that's just game mechanics.

So it seems to me that Zei Rei's father was probably someone who disappeared in an area with Afflicted in it. Maybe he became Afflicted, maybe he fought against them and fell.
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Old Jul 15, 2011, 05:32 PM // 17:32   #16
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Don't think it can be the Guardsman's son either,timescale doesn't work. It's only been a few years don't forget.
It's been seven years, actually. Factions took place in 1072 AE, and the present time of WiK/WoC is 1079.

Afflicted are indeed living mutated humans and not dead. The dead spirits Shiro bound to his service became the Shiro'ken.
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Old Jul 15, 2011, 08:08 PM // 20:08   #17
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Rather intriguingly, if Zei Ri is Togo's son, and the current Emperor dies childless, that will make him the next Emperor (shared bloodline). His son could then be the one to isolate Cantha in 27 years time...
And considering that we learned the Ministry's plot is unacceptable in the character's eyes, it would make sense that if he became emperor and continued going through with the plot, Tyria and Elona could say they want nothing to do with Cantha.
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Old Jul 15, 2011, 09:27 PM // 21:27   #18
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Not necessarily - from what I recall of his quotes, he was still hopeful that his father had died cleanly rather than succumbing to the Affliction. The impression I've always had is that someone who actually dies can't then succumb to the Affliction - we see people dying and being replaced by Afflicted in missions such as Vizunah Square, but that's just game mechanics.
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Afflicted are indeed living mutated humans and not dead. The dead spirits Shiro bound to his service became the Shiro'ken.
Technically, they die as they become an Afflicted, so they're not "mutated humans". But as drax said, someone who dies doesn't show to become an afflicted post-mortem.

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This plague is a real work of art. I don't know who created it, but whoever it was certainly knew what they were doing. Not only does the plague kill, but it also inflicts insanity upon its victims, leading to them bursting open and spawning an unholy abomination. I only wish I'd have thought of it. What do you want?
The Afflicted appear to be mainly like a parasite which feeds on the stability of the mind and the body. Either way, I don't think something can be called "alive" - even if a mutation - if their body bursted open to spawn the Afflicted.
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Old Jul 17, 2011, 08:14 AM // 08:14   #19
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"Bursting open" could be a process of pustules breaking open as the victim's body is twisted and mutated into an Afflicted. It doesn't need to mean death, except in the purely mechanical sense we see a couple of times in missions.

From what we observe, there seem to be three states of the Affliction - degen (from the Chalice of Corruption, and possibly the miasma seen in Zen Daijun as well), insanity (seen in the Sickened on Shing Jea) and full mutation into an Afflicted. The 'Monstrous Afflicted' seen in Winds of Change may be a fourth stage of the Affliction that didn't have time to develop during the original Factions.

From both the Factions Manuscript and An Empire Divided, there's no indication that the Affliction causes the victims to die and be reborn as undead - the mental image I've always had is of them dropping to the ground and writhing screaming in pain as uncontrollable growths burst forth all over their bodies. Quests that involve specific Afflicted such as An End To Suffering and The Afflicted Guard also talk about the victims as if alive rather than undead. Certainly, though, every indication we've had - in the Factions manual and in quests - indicates that the tortured spirit of the victim still remains within the body of the Afflicted they've become (especially poignant with Afflicted Tukan in the first of those quests, as he says the name of his wife as you approach) - so to go back to the original discussion, I'm pretty sure that if someone became an Afflicted and was then killed, their spirit would know.

They may not be in any fit state to talk about it, and the memories may be repressed, but at least deep down they'd know.
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Old Jul 17, 2011, 09:37 PM // 21:37   #20
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^This makes me LOL. My dad is the same. I'm also asian.
My husband was the same with our sons while much easier when teaching carpentry to others. We are not asian. I think it is just fathers who care about their kids in general.

On Topic - I don't think that Togo had any children.
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