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Old May 08, 2012, 06:05 PM // 18:05   #21
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Specific to the mission you are having problems with (Thirsty River)...

Take your time.

Biggest problem most inexperienced players have in first part of that mission is getting caught in the traps set by the rockshot devourers (fire and dust traps can be a major pain if you trigger them). Best way to handle these is to pull them towards you so your party doesn't accidentaly trigger them when they engage. Once the devourers are dealt with it's easy enough to avoid the traps as you'll see small tale tell signs of where they are. Other than the traps there's really nothing that should be too difficult to deal with at the beginning.

PS: with any enemy rangers (including rockshot devourers) you do not want to attack them when they are on higher ground than you. If you can manuever yourself to at least even ground or (better yet) give yourself the advantage of high ground before engaging. For someone that is inexperienced and/or that may not have the best party mix of skills or equipment, this can be real important.

Once you reach the second/main part of the mission (when you cross over that little wooden bridge and gate and talk to the ghostly hero).

The key here is to NOT engage more than one group at a time (IMPORTANT!). This includes making sure you don't accidentally aggro more than one group. Might mean that you need to veer either left or right a bit even if the enemy is right in front of you.

When engaging each group always take out the casters (i.e. the snake guys) first as they can cause some nasty damage (arcanist, followed by illusionist, followed by cursebearers) before you worry about any of the warrior/rangers. But the key with each group is to kill the Priest that is squatting on each base more so than killing the Boss (really secondary).

You have 2 minutes to kill the Priest or he will resurrect EVERYONE that you've killed in that group. So you need to have heroes/henchies that can do some damage or interrupt attempts to heal (very important as this is a big reason why a lot of people have problems with this mission)!

And most definitely need to call targets so everyone attacks one thing at a time. This mission stresses target calling more so than just about any other mission (especially in HM).

Assuming you have enough damage doers you should have enough time to knock out most of the casters and kill the priest before the 2 minutes are up. If you are having trouble killing a priest and the 2 minute clock starts running out (in the famous words of King Arthur and his men in Monty Python's Holy Grail...RUN AWAY!!!). Then wait for the message about "opposing party is ressurrected" and then start again.

If you don't care about the mission bonus then it's basically just repeating this method 5 more times until all 6 bosses and their groups are killed (again, remember, priest most important). The hardest boss is the Monk boss since he helps keeping his priest alive). Anything that can cause knockdown or daze would help (You move like a dwarf, which you said you had I believe, would help). For a W/N, Distracting Blow (proph skill), Disrupting Chop (proph skill), Skull Crack (elite you can cap in EOTN) are skills that you would be able to get access to (if you only have Proph and EOTN) that could help interrupting casters (especially the priest).

From a henchmen standpoint, I'd take the following: Dunham (can disrupt casters), Orion (your best AOE damage doer), Alesia (party wide healing), Lina (condition removal) and Stefan (disruption). If you don't have any access to spells for your heroes I'd suggest henchmen instead.

NOTE: If you have a minion master, be careful with not advancing your party until the 2 minute cycle has restarted as minions have a habit of going beyond what you want them to to attack (and aggro) enemies.

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Old May 08, 2012, 06:59 PM // 18:59   #22
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but I'm willing to skip that for another chance at thirsty river's Monk boss. after today its probably the weekend.
So is it the Monk boss you are struggling with? Granted, I know the one and he's a right pain in the neck.

Not going to go into quite the elaboration as everybody else, but you said you had a Ranger hero, right? But only Prophecies & Eye of the North skills?

A simple solution to troublesome Monk bosses is the Daze condition . The easiest way to apply this is typically Broadhead Arrow, but you can't use that as it's a Factions skill. However, you can use Concussion Shot, which is basically a non-elite version of the skill which you can acquire in Prophecies.

Unlock it using 1000 Balthazar faction, which you can quickly earn on the PvP Battle Isles by fighting A.I. controlled bots in the Zaishen Challenge (or by acquiring a Flame of Balthazar, either from Zaishen Coins, or from another player).

Then give the skill to Pyre and when you reach the boss, target lock Pyre onto him. He'll go down before you know it as Daze will cause any of his spells to fail whenever he's hit.

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OGDEN Protection build (bring Ogden and Mhenlo)
12 Divine Favor, the rest in Protection Prayers
Shielding Hands
Protective Spirit
Reversal of Fortune
Divine Healing
(empty, not sure what to place here, suggestions anyone?)
Cure Hex
Mend Condition
Divine Boon
Energy Management for the empty slot, preferably of the Elite variety (seems you aren't using the elite slot otherwise).
Divine Boon without any energy-management doesn't work. Its too much of a drain on the energy bar.
Infact, even using your Elite slot on it, you generally need two+ energy management skills to make Divine Boon work.
The exception of course being Assassin's Promise, but from what I understand heroes aren't aware how to use it correctly still.

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Old May 08, 2012, 08:12 PM // 20:12   #23
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I do want to get Nightfall and Prophecies but not sure if I can buy the trilogy package since I already have Prophecies and EoTN in one single key (it was a bundle) I've asked Ncsoft (their FAQ didn't quite cover my case) but no response so far.
I can answer this for you.

You can buy the Trilogy, which will have a single serial key, and add that right on top of your existing account. The redundant campaigns will be transparent, and Factions and Nightfall will be added as if you applied them individually. It's often a better bargain (especially if you find a deal at an online retailer) to do it that way than to buy Factions and Nightfall separately.

Alternatively, something to consider if you have not made a lot of progress with your existing account, is to keep your Prophecies/North account as-is, to use for storage and accumulating birthday gifts, and buy a trilogy to start fresh on. This may not be the best option for you, but a number of people who come back to the game and want to add the later campaigns sometimes see a benefit to doing it that way.
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Old May 09, 2012, 10:36 AM // 10:36   #24
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i think you have alot of good tips now.
but to get better at this game you only should read guildwars wiki.
in your gw screen type /wiki crystal desert.
if you want to know anything just type /wiki (keyword)
so for example if you know the name of the mission just look it up quik.
there are so much usefull stuff there.
anyways goodluck.
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Old May 09, 2012, 11:24 AM // 11:24   #25
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@Cancer777 Hey Cancer, Alot of new players actually struggle and ragequit during the Crystal dessert, it seems like your running from one outpost to the next endlessly!

If you need any help or just somebody to ask random questions in game PM away.. /Mercy Wildblood
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Old May 09, 2012, 03:20 PM // 15:20   #26
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@Dar Drakor thanks for the tips

@KotCR W/Ne but need to change it to W/R for the pet statues. I've reached the monk boss twice out of 20 something tries. hopefully the new advice I got here will give me the extra push to finish this mission.

@StarJewel that's a relief then now I'll save something on the side to get it (already spent my self imposed gaming budget).

@Anime Divine thanks, I did read the wiki which I how I manage to get where I am but kinda got an information overload form excessive reading lol, so I kinda wanted a clear goal as to what to do first so I can stop going in circles trying one thing then going for another etc, etc.

@MarkusParus thanks! might take you up on that offer.

So basically this is my current plan of action.

Max Norn titles (for HoM) since this is the only area I don't have that much trouble with (except dungeons of course). Get Norn Armor for the HoM and for completing the "get better armor advice", if I'm going to spend the little gold I have in armor might as well buy something that I was going to get later anyway. Get some of the Skill recommended here. Try again.

Again thanks to everyone here! I feel a bit relieved now with a "plan of action" the frustration came from not knowing where to start / what to do.
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Old May 10, 2012, 01:40 PM // 13:40   #27
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Just curious if you managed to get through Thirsty River and Elona reach by now.
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Old May 10, 2012, 05:10 PM // 17:10   #28
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@Aspi Haven't come back yet since I was farming for iron ingots for the Norn Armor (still am... why, oh, why did I sell all those useless weapons before) and I don't have access to most recommend area in the wiki/forum (in factions I believe) So I'm doing random runs in the Charr homeland (synergy for vanguard titles) and salvaging the few weapons they drop not sure if there's another area with better drop rates for weapons/armor.

This weekend I'm going all out marathon to get the armor + new skills and then beating prophecies and EoTN.

Will start whispering all that offerred to help if I'm not done by noon on Sunday =D
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Old May 10, 2012, 07:11 PM // 19:11   #29
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As a recent returner myself, I would advise picking up factions/nightfall and also paying for the skill unlock packs for these. Allowed me to build a team of heroes with builds (e.g. ww.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_7_Hero_Player_Support) that just plough through the content....and I'm a fragile Warrior main too

If its any help it took me 2-3 weeks before my war stopped going splat all the time...so its not just you
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Old May 10, 2012, 07:40 PM // 19:40   #30
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I have been playing since Christmas as a monk Nightfall character and I am having a blast. I like my hero crew. I'm pretty attached to them and feel bad when I get them hurt. We are getting pretty good in spite of me being a monk, not the best profession for a team leader. I'm collecting my crew a nice set of skills including elites. The GW wiki makes a huge difference in success. I always have it open to look things up while I play. I'm near the end of the Nightfall campaign and looking forward to Eye of the North. I want to get good enough to do PvP next.
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Old May 10, 2012, 08:06 PM // 20:06   #31
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@Aspi Haven't come back yet since I was farming for iron ingots for the Norn Armor (still am... why, oh, why did I sell all those useless weapons before) and I don't have access to most recommend area in the wiki/forum (in factions I believe) So I'm doing random runs in the Charr homeland (synergy for vanguard titles) and salvaging the few weapons they drop not sure if there's another area with better drop rates for weapons/armor.

This weekend I'm going all out marathon to get the armor + new skills and then beating prophecies and EoTN.

Will start whispering all that offerred to help if I'm not done by noon on Sunday =D
So you are a hammer warrior right. With your new armour you might want a new hammer. Any particular skin you like? You're a bit limited with no nightfall and factions I think. So if you see a nice hammer here:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gallery_of_hammers
I will do my best to try and acquire one. I would go for the destroyer one for the HOM but thats just me :P

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Old May 10, 2012, 09:35 PM // 21:35   #32
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:cries tears of happiness:

A destroyer weapon would save me a lot of time since at some point I would have had to start farming for it.

I don't really have a preference for hammer, sword or axe. I've been rotating weapons and skills depending on where I am... my current hammer does extra damage to the undead so I switched for the zombies while trying "finding Gadd" and simply stayed with it.

I really don't want to impose but if you happen to acquire one I would love to have a destroyer hammer, sword or axe whichever is easier to get I'll adapt =D

I'm definitively getting the trilogy package but not for a couple of months, so for now I'm trying not to make "plans" for it and just concentrate on current goals.
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Old May 10, 2012, 09:37 PM // 21:37   #33
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I wouldnt worry about norn armor or eotn for the moment cancer, there are two Max armor rating armorsmiths in Drokars forge in proph that will sort you out for a fraction of the price.

Relax! theres no rush and dying isnt fun!
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Old May 11, 2012, 01:30 PM // 13:30   #34
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I won't be able to join you for the full marathon (Mother's day on Sunday, and that's definitely not a GW day for me!). I can help you get started with thirsty river, though. I've got my ranger there, ready and waiting. I've completed Elona and Dunes of Despair with bonuses (spoiler below*). I can help with those bonuses, too, if you'd like. I'll be on this Saturday and will see where you are at.










* Spoiler: The dunes of despair bonus turned out to be a bit anti-climatic, but far easier than I expected. I went for the bonus on the first pass through, charging back for the bosses during a lull in defending the ghostly hero. I killed each of the boss mobs (getting credit for the bonus), but the ghostly hero was wiped out while I was running back to it (failing the mission). I had credit for the bonus on the map, so tried just completing the mission on the next run through... and voila. I ended up with the bonus and the mission credit. I had no idea that you could get credit for completing the bonus if you had failed the mission. I'll take it, though! That bonus would be nigh impossible, otherwise!
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Old May 11, 2012, 06:01 PM // 18:01   #35
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So, I'm completely new to Guild Wars. I started to play maybe 3 months ago now. There's a thread on here of me complaining about the desert, as it sucks. I started out in prophecies, and have played (roughly) in the order things were added to the game. I'm at the end of Nightfall right now, so I haven't gotten in to EoTN yet.

The experts here gave you the answers, but I have a few things I noticed, or tidbits I've picked up in my limited time.

1.) I don't believe you actually have to be a ranger for HoM pets. You can take a ranger hero, give him/her charm, have them charm it and then just bring them to the Menagerie. The trainer will ask which hero's pet you want to donate, and there you go. That said, if you do the class secondary quests around the desert, you can just swap your secondary with a pull-down, so it's no big deal to switch to a ranger temporarily to grab a pet, then go back to whatever you wanted. If you end up going for elite captures, you'll need to do a lot of class switching.

2.) Most of the good skills are not in prophecies. I'm not sure if all of them are also in EoTN or not, but I just know that as I went through the campaigns, I found that 90% of the skills I were using were core or whatever the latest expansion was. Also, assassins and ritualists are pretty handy. For me, as a ranger I guess the Rit is a bit more handy, as I use barrage/shatter weapon pretty often.

3.) Merc heros make everything easier. You don't need to buy the full 8 if you have the EoTN heros, but having extra slots so you can bring 2 or 3 of a certain class for certain situations is pretty handy. If instead you're going to buy nightfall, the it's probably not necessary to buy them, as you have heroes coming out of your ears then. Thirsty River is a good example. It was the first mission I came across which demonstrated the need for mesmers in your group. If you stack 2-3 elem/mes, nec/mes or mes/.. with chaos storm, cry of frustration and some disenchantment. You just stack the chaos storms on the priest. It helps if you slow him or box him in (Minion Masters are pretty handy for that). Anyway, the one gotcha is you need to have unlocked the skills to make them useful. You really don't want to spend your skill points buying non-elite skills for heros. You'll need them if you want to cap skills for the title. So, you can either buy the unlock packs, or run some disposable heroes to unlock. Factions has the quickest starting area, with a lot of skill points, and decent cash. Once you get off Shing Jea, you can run straight up to Kaineng City, which has a trainer that has almost all the factions and core skills. It also has quick quests to jump to the capitols for the other two campaigns, which also have trainers. It takes 2-3 hours and you'll have 6 plat or so at that point to spend on skills.
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Old May 11, 2012, 11:35 PM // 23:35   #36
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Hey Astraeos! yeah Mothers day would have stopped me too, except my mom and dad are attending a wedding this weekend in Florida so it's going to a be a call for me.

Thanks for the tip I'm missing both bonuses though Elona's was due to a panic attack pretty sure I could go for it.
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Old May 11, 2012, 11:58 PM // 23:58   #37
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I had no idea that you could get credit for completing the bonus if you had failed the mission.
A lot of the Prophecies missions are like that, not so in Factions and Nightfall.
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Old May 12, 2012, 01:44 PM // 13:44   #38
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So I finally ascended =D woot! I do feel kinda silly now, did it on the 3rd try with bonus and I wasn't even gunning for it, it just happened.

Just want to say thanks to everyone, there is a definitive difference in my play style from before this thread and now. I steel feel like I'm not doing enough damage but at least I'm not dying so much and know what to gun for next: skills!.

If curious, I had 3 pieces of norn armor (run out of money for the guanlets) + a new skill that I found while farming for iron (for the armor) "vanguard sniper support", also had to spawn a snowman that I had leftover from wintersday... and some luck! for whatever reason the monk boss decide to leave the hut and engage my party outside of it, while I was fighting the last group, as soon as I saw that I just ran in there and went for the priest still took about 45 seconds to kill him (since everyone else was being blocked by the boss, I guess).

After that it has been a little bit of a blur, killed some dude that looked like ghost rider o.O flaming skull and all, wasn't sure if I had to kill him or what.. then he started shooting weak arrows (wtf?) so I just cast sniper support + vanguard assassin once... that proved lethal... didn't have time to check anything.

Right now I'm in Droknar's forge hoping to finish Prophecies today.

Again thanks to everyone! and @Astraeos I'm still missing Dune's bonus (can't kill them fast enough) and of course I'll help out on thirsty if you'd like.
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Old May 12, 2012, 04:01 PM // 16:01   #39
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I'd say forget about EoTN until you've got NF and Factions.... EoTN is intended as endgame content and you won't have truly decent builds with just Proph and EoTN.
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Old May 12, 2012, 04:45 PM // 16:45   #40
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Message me in game when I am finally able to log in and ill help you ascend. I can give you builds based off your prophecies and EoTN. In game name is Xunlai Storage I I I Love Thirsty River. I can also ping your bar for beating the dioppleganger based off proph skills.

If you need further help feel free to message me.

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