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Old May 08, 2012, 05:26 AM // 05:26   #1
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Default So now I remember why I rage quited GW 2 years ago...

It seems I really suck at this game

Please help a desperate soul figure out what to do to improve.

I only have Prophecies and EoTN (will consider getting Nightfall and factions if I get any better at this and if there is a sale) but for now is Pro + EoTN only.

I picked a Warrior and have a secondary of Necro but need it to change asap to ranger (for HoM pet statues) except I can't seem to beat thirsty river so that won't be happening unless I get better (catch 22)

I have regular armor (gladiator) and for weapons I have a Ebon Igneous Maul of death bane 19-35 | a Heavy battle axe 6 -28 | a Fiery sword of fortitude 15 -22 and a Reinforced Buckler of Fortitude. Don't have any attachments to them buts its all I've gotten from drops.

For heroes I have Xanda, Jorda, Vekk, Gwen, Odgen and Pyerce, but so far I've had better luck with a team of Odgen, Jora, and Pyerce and the rest henchman (casters and a second healer)

Current build (that doesnt get me killed in five minutes) Warriors endurance / for great justice / flurry (frenzy is a death sentence) / You move like a darwf / Crushing blow / Mighty blow /Snow storm

Yes it's a "wtf" build but so far I haven't been able to get better ideas/skills.

Money? about 20 platinum

Still with me? wow! either you are a saint or are having a good chuckle with all the noobness

So what's the problem (apart from the obvious) Every mob of more than 8 critters pretty much owns me. if there is poison involve I'm as good as dead, seriously its ridiculous I see the bar go green and I start praying

I'm basically stuck in 2 places: can't beat finding Gadd (not even close), cant beat Thirsty river(for ascension to change to ranger) and I'm having trouble even going back to low level areas (for example to do Gwen's mission from the HoM).

I'm not asking for handouts or something like that, I really want to get better at this game and finish all the storyline and if possible get some (HoM points currently 4/50) for GW2 (Which so far seems easier that GW).

What do I need to change?

Better armor? Better weapons? if I can't buy them from a merchant/collector where should I farm for it?

My build sucks? what skill should I go capping? please remember that I cant get anything from the Asura's or further into Prophecies... also most dungeons I need tons of luck to get trough

I've read a lot of guides/faqs/wiki entries (in fact that's the only reason i've gotten this far) but every time I hit the same problem, builds that I can't get or hero builds that I can't get either. And of course every guide has so many options I feel overwhelmed... I really just want a clear direction so I cant get back on track.

Please don't tell to give up... I'm not normally this bad a player I guess I'm just having trouble figuring out how to properly play this game

Really appreciate your time and help!

A very desperate, very sad GW player.
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Old May 08, 2012, 11:28 AM // 11:28   #2
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I glanced through this but didn't read all of it b/c its kinda sad. I don't mean that in a completely rude or bad way either.


You can use http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Main_Page to get some general help on armors and missions and http://www.gwpvx.com/PvX_wiki for builds for PvE.

Your weapons are fine and its sad that you don't have nightfall as thats where all the merchants go (Kamadan/Spamadan) to sell weapons.

I hope when you are entering the missions you are bring healer heroes otherwise ofc you are going to die. Don't get stuck thinking you should only use heroes. if you lack the experience to create good builds for your heroes use henchmen b/c their builds are set and are decent or at least better than 90% of the builds players can make.
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Old May 08, 2012, 11:31 AM // 11:31   #3
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First check your armor lvl, if you are a warrior it must be 80 + 20 against physical dmg and you can suse some insignias to boost it (this is the max). And use runes (+hp) and insignias, knights or sentinell, on yourself and do the same on your heroes to. Prefered to play a "tank"+blackliners game. Bring yourself some def skills, like i am unstoppable, or dolyak signet, feel no pain etc, not only dmg. If your heroe or hench setup is fine they could you keep alive and deal enough dmg to kill mobs. Use some tactics, flag back your heroes pull with longbow and block the mobs. Need some practice but this tactics works.

I hope it will help. If you have more questions just ask me ing if im online.
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Old May 08, 2012, 11:32 AM // 11:32   #4
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If you would like some help with this mission hit me up in game my ign is Odin Gunnar my play time is gmt (UK) around 7pm I'll be on till 11pm
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Old May 08, 2012, 11:46 AM // 11:46   #5
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Welcome back in GW !!!

First, just in case, i give some very usefull links :
Official Wiki :
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Main_Page
Builds :
http://www.gwpvx.com/PvX_wiki

Your heroes :
Try to equip them decently : Runes, Insignia, and most important : Skills, and don't forget to capture some Elite Skills. You will find good builds on PVX_wiki, maybe you will have to adapt because some skills could be tied to Nightfall/Factions. a necromancer would be very helpfull, but you need to finish Finding Gadd first.

Finding Gadd :
This quest is very hard, you should try to avoid Shards of Orr, there is an alternative path, starting from Eye of the North, through Battledepths, then Heart of the Shiverpeaks, Bogroot Growths and Sparkfly Swamp.

Thirsty River :
Focus on Healers first, kill priests as soon as possible to avoid their resurection.

Gwen's Mission and Dungeons are end-game content, you should do them when everything else is done.


General tips :
Consummables can be very usefull when you are stuck :
- Summoning stones (very usefull when your group is less than 8)
- Armor of salvation/Graal of Might/Essence of Celerity : the ultimate combo to roll through any part of the game
- Cupcakes, golden eggs and other sweets can give a boost
- Honeycombs is nice to remove Death penalty from Heroes


Hope it helps ...
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Old May 08, 2012, 12:29 PM // 12:29   #6
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I did laugh but only at the part "Still with me? wow! either you are a saint or are having a good chuckle with all the noobness " and was that comment i was laughing at and not you.
In 2 years many things have changed including numerous skill buffs/nerfs which also have an impact on foes skills.
And years no play is a big gap to catch up on in regards of players experiance - and if anyone does say give up - ignore them as they wont be worth the effort of listening to or answering.
Btw this may give you a chuckle but in my 5 yrs of playing i have never done the crystal desert stuff and when i do eventually do it ( my chrs are not prophs born ) im probably going to fail quite a few times .
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Old May 08, 2012, 12:40 PM // 12:40   #7
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Too bad you dont have nightfall or else I could have given you my warrior build that has allowed me to go through all in HM and then some. It's also warrios endurance but with axe.
And you might want to get nightfall and factions because also there in lies some great help. Some of the most overpowered PVE skills will make this game so easy.

Now this mission is not that hard if you do not try to rush things and over aggro. Especially easy in the second arena with the 2 bosses.
You as endurance warrior, gwen as panic or esurger, Ogden as unyealding aura monk(because you seem to die in this mission) and it sucks but Xandra cannot be a Signet of spirits hero because you do not have factions and also she does not have splinter weapon which can make you kill entire mobs there.
Try for your monk to bring judge insight because if I remember right the enemies are undead there?
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Old May 08, 2012, 12:56 PM // 12:56   #8
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A few remarks. above here are some usefull tips but some are absolutly wrong at this stage. First of all. your build could use some improvement, but it isn't too bad, giving that you don't have access to all skills yet. The most important mistake a lot of people make is that they use heroes too much when starting the game. There is absolutly nothing wrong with using henchman. Heroes are basicly blank when you get them and their quality depends on what you do with them. a good team of heroes can make your gw life lots of easier. however a bad team of heroes can make it harder. Henchman however are desigend for the area you are in right now (so in the desert you find henchman good enough for the dessert while in eotn they are much better cause eotn is much harder).

Now for the part why some above are wrong (though it is appreciated they are trying to be helpfull).

To succesfully use hero's you need to get them skills. given the fact that your stuck on warrior and necro professions, you can only get those skills. To get a decent monk, ele, etc build you need to pass the dessert. Then you can change your secondary proffession and buy skills for your heroes.
The only hero you can outfit properly atm is Jora. however, having two melee in a 6 man party would be overkill in the balance of the team. So my advice is to either get help till after the dessert or use the henchman (one monk, one mesmer, one necro, one ele and one ranger) for thirsty river their names would be Reyna, Alesia, Claude, Dunham and Orion.

So leave your heroes, there is no way they can not suck cause you can't get them a decent build yet. Keep in mind that prophecy's is never designed to be done with heroes. When online you can always aks me for advice and help (ign Akela Rumi).

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Old May 08, 2012, 01:04 PM // 13:04   #9
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I'm making you some skill bars using the skills you have access to. If you don't know where to get them, check this links and click on the skill name.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_Prophecies_skill
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_core_skillss
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...e_North_skills

Capture these skills if you want, but you should be OK without:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...ure_l ocation
Eviscerate or Cleave
Word of Healing
Searing Flames or Savannah Heat

Anyway, here are some basic builds:

OGDEN Protection build (bring Ogden and Mhenlo)
12 Divine Favor, the rest in Protection Prayers
Shielding Hands
Protective Spirit
Reversal of Fortune
Divine Healing
(empty, not sure what to place here, suggestions anyone?)
Cure Hex
Mend Condition
Divine Boon


GWEN
12 Domination, 9 in Fast Casting, the rest in Inspiration
Power Spike
Power Drain
Empathy
Mind Wrack
Chaos Storm
(Empty. Energy Surge elite when you have it)
Shatter Enchantment
Resurrection skill. Resurrection Signet should be okay.

VEKK
12 Fire, the rest in Energy Storage
Immolate
Fireball
Meteor
(Empty, you can add a strong fire elite later)
Glyph of Elemental Power
Aura of Restoration
Fire Attunement
ResurrectionSignet

You should do the Asura quests in EotN so you can get a Necromancer hero (Lydia), but for now, use Xandra.
XANDRA
12 Curses
(Spiteful Spirit elite when you have it)
Mark of Pain
Barbs
Insidious Parasite
Desecrate Enchantments
Parasitic Bond (change this when you get something better)
Instead of Parasitic Bond, bring Plague Sending if your warrior deals a lot of conditions)
Enfeebling Blood
Resurrection Signet

JORA
12 Axe Mastery, the rest in strength
Dismember
Power Attack
Cyclone Axe
For Great Justice!
Flail
Resurrection Signet


If after getting all these skills you still have money, buy this equipment:
Monk: 2 blessed insignias for chest and leg armor. +1 protection prayers for the head
Mesmer: 2 Prodigy insignias for chest and leg armor. +1 domination rune for the head.
Vekk: 2 blessed insignias for chest and leg armor. +1 fire magic for the head




SOME GENERAL TIPS
* You're a strong beefy warrior, and strong beefy warriors should... kill enemies! Bring lots of damage skills instead of skills that say "I'm a chicken, please don't kill me, I beg you!" Since you're at Crystal Desert in prophecies, you already have some good damage skills.
* In difficult areas, always bring two monks, one protection and one healing.
* As soon as you go attack a monster, attack with CTRL+Space, so your heroes will attack that target too.
* Send me a private message so I can help you through those missions you're having problems with :P I have a character that still needs the desert missions. Mademoiselle Mimi
* I have a ton of good weapons taking up space in my storage box, I'd be happy to part with them for free (Don't feel bad, a lot of more experienced players have a lot of weapons they don't have use for)
* Despite what the person said above, try to use heroes instead of henchmen... in Prophecies. Yes, you should ask for advice on how to make builds for the heroes, since you are new.
Prophecies henchmen have terrible skill bars. EotN henchmen are much better, except for Eve, Lo Sha, and the two warriors.

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Old May 08, 2012, 01:20 PM // 13:20   #10
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Again, everyone who is advicing on hero bars. You need to be ascended to buy skills for your heroes. This person isn't so he/she is stuck on upgrading heroes with warrior or necro skills. It is very good your trying to help, but this is only confusing for the OP.
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Old May 08, 2012, 01:33 PM // 13:33   #11
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The skills are unlocked account wide. As long as he buys them himself, or gets them from quest rewards, his heroes from every character will be able to use them. So what he needs to do is Ascend. So he should do the desert missions, which I've volunteered to help, or maybe he could go to the Embark Beach and ask for a group.

If he doesn't Ascend, he will be crippled no matter what he does. I thought it was clear that he should do that first.
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Old May 08, 2012, 01:44 PM // 13:44   #12
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Again, everyone who is advicing on hero bars. You need to be ascended to buy skills for your heroes. This person isn't so he/she is stuck on upgrading heroes with warrior or necro skills. It is very good your trying to help, but this is only confusing for the OP.
Damn I could not remember that. Good thing for you to notice.
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Old May 08, 2012, 02:27 PM // 14:27   #13
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I agree with akelarumi........use henchmen, not heroes, because you cannot give heroes the skills they need until after you ascend. Prophecies was made before heroes, so it is made to be used with henchmen, anyway. You should get all the games, so that you can access more skills. The heroes will perform better when you can give them proper skills, weapons, runes, and insignias.

Make sure you have max armor (80 for warrior). You can get a set of max armor at Boreal Station in Eye of the North expansion. It may not be the style of armor you want, but at this point, having max armor is more important than style. Or you can get someone to run you to Droknor's Forge and get max armor there. Outfit the max armor with runes and insignias to increase defense and/or health.
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Old May 08, 2012, 03:17 PM // 15:17   #14
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Thanks everyone! BTW my IGN is Cancerian Knight (not fixated on the disease, just happen to be a Cancer and Knight of Cancer was already taken)

Thanks for the links and I have read trough the wiki but like I said at some point it was an information overload... still it did help to get me where I am now =)

@Szilafe I'll try to find better armor with those qualities and that's a yes for the second healer I bring 2.

@Thot Ok now I don't feel that bad for failing Gwen's mission. I'm using those cupcakes + Honeycombs so much I fear for my toon's health.

@Lorazcyk I do feel that as a warrior I should be up front fighting and holding the line, that's the thing I don't think I'm making enough of a difference (that's why I bring Jora) basically I've narrowed it down to when I'm able to not die I'm not making enough damage (any mob that heals lasts forever) so I try a more offensive approach but then I get killed easily. Thanks for the hero builds they seem quite reasonable and will definitively try them as soon as I'm able to.

@Akelarumi I'm a "he" and thanks for the henchie tip.

@Spiritz thats Ok I was kinda "sad laughing" too

Finally @Everyone that offer to help me with the missions I really appreciate it and just might take you up on it but will try to get better first (I don't want to be a noob forever) also I'm pretty sure that kinda got me in trouble 2 years ago. Lots of people offered to help me with runs and missions and basically it went like this:

Randomplayer: Hey need a run to Lion's Arch?
Me: sure! whats a run?
Randomplayer: I'll take you there so you cant get better gear and skills.
Me: awesome!

Randomplayer stars running faster than the wind while I try to keep up and die in a matter of seconds.

Me: Sorry for diying back there... you sure are fast.
Randomplayer: dont worry just stand there and wait till the run is over.
Me: ok...
Randomplayer: Ok we are here.
Me: thanks a lot... so you wanna do a couple of missions? what should I try first? wow everything here sure is expensive...
Randomplayer: Your welcome, but sorry I've already cleared everything here. I'm going to help other people with runs.
Me: oh, ok thanks again... guess I'll see you around... you'll PM me later right?

Ok, the last line was made up but the rest is true. I basically leveled and advanced fast but I guess I didn't really learned anything. Not Randomplayer's fault of course I get that it was a nice gesture.

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@JaxDarkwing Thanks! Ill head out for Boreal Station I don't really care for style. I'm running half naked through shiverpeaks in a "gladiator" armor just because it had more defense that whatever I was using before... I now can empathize with women complaining that female characters get ridiculous armor, though I still want my female caster's to have Xena like armor (what? I said I could empathize, not that I would change).

I do want to get Nightfall and Prophecies but not sure if I can buy the trilogy package since I already have Prophecies and EoTN in one single key (it was a bundle) I've asked Ncsoft (their FAQ didn't quite cover my case) but no response so far.

If there's a sale later on I'll probably pick them up but right now I kinda spent my "gaming budget" on a GW2 pre purchase.

Still I would like to at least finish the story lines for the ones I got.
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Old May 08, 2012, 03:45 PM // 15:45   #15
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Are you a part of a guild? Joining a guild would also help you out. My name is Crimson Swallow in game, I'll help you try to at least get the ranger secondary you want.
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Old May 08, 2012, 03:57 PM // 15:57   #16
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Being leveled fast can be a bad thing if either new or an old player returning - and you have said the right reasons - what you miss in terms of own experience ( not game xp ) will take longer to learn and also means when you do face foes they are suddenly alot harder.I`d say a huge chunk of players will take runs but usually its because they have done xx campaign several times and dont want/cba to do those bits again
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Old May 08, 2012, 04:27 PM // 16:27   #17
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@Hizke I joined one yesterday [ICBM], They did offer to help me if needed but I didn't ask for anything right away I really don't want to do a mission and feel less "smart" then the heroes/henchies AI... I mean its going to be awkward when deciding between reviving me or Claude they go for the henchie because its more useful o.O

Of course I will eventually ask for help clearing dungeons.
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Old May 08, 2012, 04:37 PM // 16:37   #18
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Your absolutly right bout getting help without trying. on the other side there is no shame to it either. If you tried and failed several times there is no reason to not ask help from people who have all the benefits of having all campaigns and all skills unlocked. specially cause, though I said earlier that prophecy's was designed for playing without heroes. there are some differences.

first of all. back then all those mission outposts where packed with people having the same problem you have right now and teaming together.

Second of all cause the uprisde of heroes and more skills from other campaigns, they didn't really bother to keep it playable for prophecy's only people.

For the rest. I'm always carefull for guessing if one is a he or a she (thanks for clearing it up though). People commonly mistake me for a woman in game, while the only reason for me playing a woman is that if I have to watch a butt for hours/day it better be a cute and sexy one.

Last advice. When you have done the frist three missions in the dessert, you need to do the solo-mission. My advice is to do the following quest in preparation: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Service:_Practice,_Dummy

(not going to spoil you why though -evil grin-)
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Old May 08, 2012, 05:20 PM // 17:20   #19
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I'm fairly new to GW also (I joined a bit over a year ago, but I didn't have the time to play for quite a while, until recently). I'm also right at the same point in the Prophecies story that you are: in the Crystal Desert, hoping to ascend. I have not tried the Ascension missions yet, but I have gotten to the start points for each of them. I'd love to play through them with another player(s). Take a look to see if I'm in game when you take your next shot. I'll take a look for you as well. I've had a fair bit of success in the Crystal desert so far (challenging, but not overwhelming), so perhaps together we can push through.

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Old May 08, 2012, 05:57 PM // 17:57   #20
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@Astraeos Ok then! I didn't get the bonuses so I do need to play trough Elona and Dunes again. I'm GMT (-5) believe that's US central time I was going to try to get better armor and a couple more skill as suggested but I'm willing to skip that for another chance at thirsty river's Monk boss. after today its probably the weekend.
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