Petition to Demand a Response from Anet on Botting

[Ninja Ninja]

Originally Posted by fowlero

The information that bot's can obtain extends to npc's. All they'd have to do is find the id of several npc's in the town, target them and path the bot that way.

They can also detect your location (town etc, so if they got blocked or whatever it could reset etc).

Dam bots have gotten crafty.
Can you think of any ways to stop or reduce botting?
When a player reports a bot, can anet see if hes botting or are they completely relying on the players word which could lead to abuse.

[fowlero]

Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Dam bots have gotten crafty.
Can you think of any ways to stop or reduce botting?
When a player reports a bot, can anet see if hes botting or are they completely relying on the players word which could lead to abuse.

I have no computer programming knowledge outside of looking on their forums, so i have no idea how you'd be able to reduce botting.

And in regard to /report, i wouldn't be surprised if half of it's "functions" are placebo.

[Septeric]

Dam bots have gotten crafty.

yes.. and not only that.. they have random movements and random paths.

Can you think of any ways to stop or reduce botting?

nope.. the genie is out of the bottle.. my opinion is.. even if anet brought back the skills that allowed people to farm.. it is too late... why grind.. when you can put on a movie and chill.... (rhetorical statement)

When a player reports a bot, can anet see if hes botting or are they completely relying on the players word which could lead to abuse.

as it does with every emo person out there.. i don't PvP.. but my friends that do laugh at all the times they are called bots and reported because the other team is a sore loser.


and on a side note:
i do not claim to know every game... but GW is the only game i have ever played that doesn't have an official forums... and i find that to be the most insulting of all.

but as my drill sargeant used to say:

opinions are like a**holes.. everybody's got one... and most stink...

that was mine

[Karate Jesus]

Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Dam bots have gotten crafty.
Can you think of any ways to stop or reduce botting?
When a player reports a bot, can anet see if hes botting or are they completely relying on the players word which could lead to abuse.

There's no way to stop all botting. You could cut it in half just by preventing .dll injecting, but Anet wont take the time to do that.

Like I said earlier, the game client is just a mess.

[Tullzinski]

Originally Posted by fowlero

Out of interest, source?

Feel free to read this thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/b...tml?t=10422646

There is alot about the program that we are not allowed to post here. But if you start to research the programs involved you will see the technology involved and come to the same conclusion.

Start with Windows API

Microsoft even provides tools to improve the program involved:

Developer support is available in the form of the Microsoft Windows SDK, providing documentation and tools necessary to build software based upon the Windows API and associated Windows technologies.

[II Lucky Charm II]

Management problems and botting issues will most likely happen again in Guild Wars 2. The only way for us to make Anet more serious about botting problems and their ways of dealing with customers is to sign a petition to boycott Guild Wars 2 . This is the best solution in my opinion. We have observed from guild wars 1 that they do not care about us after they already got our money. Think about it, people. Every company will get serious once it comes down to money.

[Mokeiro]

IMO the botting is just the logical response of the smart people to the stupid grindfest mindless farming GW has become to thank to titles.

Get serious people, some titles are just attainable for no-life-responsabilities freakies supported by his parents who can play 16 hours/day/365 you do not need a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing brain to play this foolish game, only time and patiente to open 10000 chest, defeat 100000000000000 enemies and so on.

If you want people to make repetitive but not fun things, people will rebel and make the computer do the job for them (the computers were invented for this, to avoid repetitive task, not for playing) so a smart person will use their computer for its primary purpose, to easy his life and save his time.

If you don't want people to use bots, make a game actually challenging and fun to play, not a stupid korean grindfest with costumes.

PD: i do not use bots, but i understand the people who use them.

[Quail Stomp]

I dont understand people that use bots to get a stupid title that does not mean a thing. I understand the ones that use bots to make gold and sell for money. If you get so bored of a game to use bots why bother with the game in the first place?

[Karate Jesus]

Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

The only way for us to make Anet more serious about botting problems and their ways of dealing with customers is to sign a petition to boycott Guild Wars 2 .

Wouldn't matter. Game companies don't take gamers seriously when they boycott, and for good reason.

Look at L4D2. They had a petition to boycott it since L4D1 hadn't even had a map pack released and had several bug issues when 2 was coming out. Valve ignored the petition and still sold just as many as they most likely would have.

Gamers buy games they're excited about, regardless of whether or not they're pissed at the company....and the companies know that.

[Septeric]

after looking through the gwguru forums.. i see many threads asking/dealing about botting issues...

sadly i saw not 1 response from anet staff in all those threads...

however.. i do see immediate responses whenever a new patch/update comes out..

so i know its not like they are not watching the threads here.. or at least sometimes...

personal conclusion:
anet doesn't care about the issue in anyway that makes bringing the issue up worth while.

beatin' a dead horse... as the saying goes...

[sixdartbart]

Originally Posted by Septeric

beatin' a dead horse

He had it coming

[-Sonata-]

Originally Posted by Septeric

personal conclusion:
anet doesn't care about the issue in anyway that makes bringing the issue up worth while.

If Anet came here and gave a response on botting, the only thing it would show is that any response they give would never be good enough. Especially on this forum.

So my personal conclusion:
Anet does care, but is fully aware that responding here to the issue is pointless and a waste of time.

[Lycan Nibbler]

Originally Posted by Septeric

personal conclusion:
anet doesn't care about the issue in anyway that makes bringing the issue up worth while.

Not that they dont care, give them credit.. if they could do something cost effectively then I am sure they would. As has been said, it seems very difficult to cut many of the bots out without rewriting the game client and they just dont have the resources, no matter how many costumes they sell, to do this with a game thats selling very few units now and the ones that are selling are discounted.

If they could spend a day physically playing/watching the main areas where the bots effect other players (JQ, RA etc) and make some bans there then Id feel happier. If someone is using a bot to drink 10,000 minutes of ale these days or opening 10,000 chests, I cant really blame them to be honest and is way down on the list of things to be dealt with.

I know anet reads threads anyway, even if they arent allowed to respond, but *waves at anet staff* anyway.

[snaek]

anet really reads threads but not respond to them?

does anet also play gw and watch bots destroy the game but not ban them?

i mean c'mon, who is anet to play god in matters of gw? they should just let everything go with the flow and it will all balance itself out eventually.


all seriousness aside, no, i do not think anet reads all these kinds of threads. yes, they do read threads regarding to 'official' matters like updates and announcements; but anything 'unofficial' will get ignored (imo).

[Zahr Dalsk]

Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Management problems and botting issues will most likely happen again in Guild Wars 2. The only way for us to make Anet more serious about botting problems and their ways of dealing with customers is to sign a petition to boycott Guild Wars 2 . This is the best solution in my opinion. We have observed from guild wars 1 that they do not care about us after they already got our money. Think about it, people. Every company will get serious once it comes down to money.

First of all, you'll buy it and you know it.

Secondly, if there's anything we should be up in arms about, it's the fact that time spent is being rewarded rather than skill (hence, grind). For example, we get title for doing something X amount of times, instead of, say, a constant title that displays our success/failure ratio in a given arena for the day.

And as for armour and weapon skins, well, that should just be plain easy to get and customize, period.

[UnChosen]

Originally Posted by Tramp

Very good point. And do not forget the Halloween contest where the guy paid a 3rd person to tattoo a mad king on his ass. That was a clear violation of the rule that stated all work must be done by the person submitting the entry. Unless he tattooed himself, that should have been trash canned at first glance. (I am sure that was a stick-on tattoo anyways, or if it wasn't, he needs to get his money back...)

I said all this at the "great nerfing" a few months ago. Take away the so called overpowered skills, which will make grind intolerable to the time conscious players of today, and they will resort to shortcuts. All this problem lies right on Anet's doorstep and is a result of the retarded nerf bat and Testes Krewe. People have a tradeoff, time vs. reward. Nerf the so called evil and overpowered skills, you make that tradeoff punitive. So here come the botting shortcuts. Remove the grind from titles and you remove the problem. You can either reduce the title requirements or you can make them easier to get by bringing back the evil skills of the past {insert sarcasm}. Bring back the old SF, bring back 600 monks, bring back Ursan, who cares? Grind will be reduced, items will be cheaper for poor people to buy, and everyone benefits. No one is hurt except greedy rich people who want to keep their epeen high by keeping other people poor. I cant wait to see the new skill updates that make mesmers the new "overpowered" class and then have people whining about that. I have not done a doa run in 2 months, but I joined a pug over the weekend for fun. It was a bunch of idiots hitting the DwG skill and rolling everything in site! Reminded me of the old ursan days, except now there is just one skill to hit. Oh... and everyone seemed to have a fun time. Imagine that. Bring back all these old skills. Level the playing field. People can choose what overpowered skill they want to have fun with: SF, 600, Ursan, DwG (current steamroller), the new mesmers? Who cares? Remove the stupid grind, fire the incompetent Testes Krewe, start recoding the entire engine for GW2 so botting is not possible (I would not bet anything that this is being done ~ same engine, new content is my guess), and just let GW1 fade into the sunset with people not getting their asses "grinded" to the bone.

Agreed. Its funny, because the massive increase in botting happened RIGHT AFTER the nerfing to SF and 600 / Smite. The first thing I thought of when I saw this post was "big surprise", because I kinda predicted it a long time ago when people were making QQ posts about SF every other day. I'm surprise only you managed to see the correlation.

I don't even feel its that big of a deal, especially since I haven't been able to pug successfully in any non ZQ area ever since the nerf, my derv/para/ranger/mes are still unwanted, and my drop in dungeons are still horrid. There are far more important things to worry about, bots in the grand scheme of things barely affect my game experience.

[Ninja Ninja]

Originally Posted by UnChosen

Agreed. Its funny, because the massive increase in botting happened RIGHT AFTER the nerfing to SF and 600 / Smite. The first thing I thought of when I saw this post was "big surprise", because I kinda predicted it a long time ago when people were making QQ posts about SF every other day. I'm surprise only you managed to see the correlation.

This is stupid if the noobs using an over powered build can't adapt to the game like the rest of the population they make there money off of then they should cry.

There's nothing to debate about, Botting is a bannable offense whether you want to take the risk is your choice but its cheating plain and simple.

Anet can either let there game die or take a stand against it.

[QueenofDeath]

First of all, you'll buy it and you know it.

I buy a lot of games that I don't agree with the management or developers or publishers but I buy them for $5 and not full retail. I got all the chapters and EOTN for way less than retail price because I don't have to have a game when it's new and full of bugs and flaws. In fact I really don't understand gamers continuing to buy brand new games when they know the HISTORY of them since 95 has been "buy it now we'll fix it later MAYBE".

I've been buying games for bargain prices for years now since like 2003 and you know what? I get a FINISHED game and FULLY PATCHED game and it costs $5. Now sometimes I'll pay up to $9.99 if it comes in a compliation like The complete Edition of Civ IV I recently got. I've stopped being a sucker to dah publisher and developer. I get their games I get them CHEAP and I get them working without issues.

So while I may get GW2 eventually I certainly won't pay full price for it and since it's going to be another world of no evolution of levels or loot it doesn't matter when one gets it they can catch up in a matter of a few days and certainly in less than a month like GW1 allows. These 'socialistic' type of MMO rpgs are easy to become equal to everyone in as GW1 has proven.

[II Lucky Charm II]

I forgot. Guild Wars 2 will come out at the same time as Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. I guess there's not really a need for boycotting.

[stretchs]

just a quick FYI, there were bots LONG before there were EVER any allegiance/reputation. Elona Reach griffon bot ring a bell for old timers? Even Ettins had a bot. Lets not turn this into, oh they are botting cause of grind, they are botting for profit, same as always, or in pvp, to be "l33t"