Just to clarify what "running" actually is. - Guild Wars Forums

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 02:10 PM // 14:10

I feel that I have to clarify to the community what running actually is. I constantly see people making threads saying "LF Mission Runner", or "Need VQ'er to Run me through.."...etc. It is starting to get on my nerves.

Running is the act of a player rapidly transporting other players to other areas of the game. This is commonly known as place-to-place running and requires no fighting, stopping, doing quests, talking to NPC's...etc...it is just running.

Misconceptions
When people refer to doing missions as "mission running", they are incorrect. The person doing the mission is not running at all...they are instead fighting, stopping, talking to NPC's, carrying bundles, etc. There is ZERO running involved when it comes to doing missions. There are exceptions to this such as running through the Gate of Desolation mission in around four minutes...no fighting or stopping or carrying of items is required...simply going from point A to point B...like a regular run.

When people talk about VQ runners...these people are NOT runners at all. These people do not run. Instead they fight, stop, talk to NPC's, and pick up items. Vanquishing is NOT running, it is vanquishing and nothing more.

Doing dungeons is NOT running. There is no such thing as a dungeon runner. The only exception to this is the running involved in certain speedclears such as KathSC.

How to be smart about it
If you are looking for someone to do a mission for you...you are not looking for a mission runner, you are simply looking for someone to do the mission for you.

If you are looking for someone to VQ an area for you, don't ask for a vq runner, ask for someone to vanquish the area for you.

If you are looking for someone to do speedbooks for you, do not ask for them to run missions or run dungeons to do it...ask them to DO the missions.

Conclusion
The only running in this game are place-to-place runs such as Beacon's Perch - Droknar's Forge. Running involves NO stopping, NO fighting, NO picking up items...etc. It is JUST running.

I hope I cleared the air...because many people on these forums are making themselves appear slightly stupid.

~ God Of Fissures

Milennin · Feb 08, 2012, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Because saying something like "dungeon runner" is shorter than saying "someone to do the dungeon for me" and everyone knows they're both the same thing anyway. What's the point?

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Milennin

Because saying something like "dungeon runner" is shorter than saying "someone to do the dungeon for me" and everyone knows they're both the same thing anyway. What's the point?

They are not the same thing. The point is for people not to be stupid.

Milennin · Feb 08, 2012, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

They are not the same thing. The point is for people not to be stupid.

Lol... they are used to describe the same thing, and everyone, including you, does know that. Your point?

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Milennin

Lol... they are used to describe the same thing, and everyone, including you, does know that. Your point?

To uneducated players, the terms are interchangeable. To people that actually know what they are talking about, mission "running" and actually doing the mission are two completely different things.

This is the point I am trying to make. You are so used to false terminology that you are ignorant to the truth.

Milennin · Feb 08, 2012, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

To uneducated players, the terms are interchangeable. To people that actually know what they are talking about, mission "running" and actually doing the mission are two completely different things.

This is the point I am trying to make. You are so used to false terminology that you are ignorant to the truth.

Because an uneducated player would be hurt so much when he finds out he has to wait for for his runner to do mission objectives instead of just running over the map to finish a mission for him.
Oh whatever will he do when he finds out!?

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 02:33 PM // 14:33

You are now throwing the entire point of this thread out the window. I made this thread to educate people on what running IS and what running IS NOT. Stop crying.

Milennin · Feb 08, 2012, 02:37 PM // 14:37

You're the only one crying here... Everyone knows that running a mission/dungeon means is letting someone else do the mission/dungeon/whatever for you. You'd have to be really naive and stupid to think someone can literally run a mission for you without doing the mission objectives. Or finishing a dungeon by running to the end and not killing a damn thing.

LordDragon · Feb 08, 2012, 02:38 PM // 14:38

I think the Original Post should have emblazoned across it, Don't Feed The Trolls!.

Talk about an utterly useless topic.

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Milennin

You're the only one crying here... Everyone knows that running a mission/dungeon means is letting someone else do the mission/dungeon/whatever for you. You'd have to be really naive and stupid to think someone can literally run a mission for you without doing the mission objectives. Or finishing a dungeon by running to the end and not killing a damn thing.

The point is that no running is involved...yet people call it running.

Milennin · Feb 08, 2012, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

The point is that no running is involved...yet people call it running.

There is. They run from mob to mob.

Omar Charrbane · Feb 08, 2012, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Lol. Alot of rage over alot of nothing.

Moral of the story; Turn off local chat.

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by Milennin

There is. They run from mob to mob.

That is cute.

LoveToBe · Feb 08, 2012, 03:04 PM // 15:04

tomato tomato potato potato

Elfblade · Feb 08, 2012, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Next Top Runner

I feel that I have to clarify to the community what running actually is. I constantly see people making threads saying "LF Mission Runner", or "Need VQ'er to Run me through.."...etc. It is starting to get on my nerves.

Running is the act of a player rapidly transporting other players to other areas of the game. This is commonly known as place-to-place running and requires no fighting, stopping, doing quests, talking to NPC's...etc...it is just running.

Misconceptions
When people refer to doing missions as "mission running", they are incorrect. The person doing the mission is not running at all...they are instead fighting, stopping, talking to NPC's, carrying bundles, etc. There is ZERO running involved when it comes to doing missions. There are exceptions to this such as running through the Gate of Desolation mission in around four minutes...no fighting or stopping or carrying of items is required...simply going from point A to point B...like a regular run.

When people talk about VQ runners...these people are NOT runners at all. These people do not run. Instead they fight, stop, talk to NPC's, and pick up items. Vanquishing is NOT running, it is vanquishing and nothing more.

Doing dungeons is NOT running. There is no such thing as a dungeon runner. The only exception to this is the running involved in certain speedclears such as KathSC.

How to be smart about it
If you are looking for someone to do a mission for you...you are not looking for a mission runner, you are simply looking for someone to do the mission for you.

If you are looking for someone to VQ an area for you, don't ask for a vq runner, ask for someone to vanquish the area for you.

If you are looking for someone to do speedbooks for you, do not ask for them to run missions or run dungeons to do it...ask them to DO the missions.

Conclusion
The only running in this game are place-to-place runs such as Beacon's Perch - Droknar's Forge. Running involves NO stopping, NO fighting, NO picking up items...etc. It is JUST running.

I hope I cleared the air...because many people on these forums are making themselves appear slightly stupid.

~ God Of Fissures

Actually a runner can be understood as someone who finishes an objective(s) for you ( missions, running to places and dungeons) and you pay them/or they do it for free. It is a comprehensive word now, not like it used to be in early proph days where you could pay someone to run you to places and how the term came to existence. Over the years other things just were added to it.

BTW most people dont care how you get the objective done as long as you do it. (as in they dont care if you run it or fight)

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Elfblade, I think you are referring to a "rusher". Meaning someone who "rushes through a mission or quest".

Elfblade · Feb 08, 2012, 03:16 PM // 15:16

You are clueless arent you.
Proof that people use the term running for other stuff then place-to-place running:

and this is just on the first page of services offered and seeking services. The word running(as GAME LINGO) has evolved, to contain this meaning. BTW nowhere is the word rushing mentioned.

Bristlebane · Feb 08, 2012, 03:19 PM // 15:19

While running is an ingame-phenomen, I'm sure you can find a definition that fits mission runners as well. Let's see what you find on dictionary.com:

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Originally Posted by World English Dictionary

1. a person who runs, esp an athlete
...
4. a person engaged in the solicitation of business
...
7. a person who operates, manages, or controls something
...
17. another word for rocker

#1 fits the classical map runner, so far so good.
#4 fits people doing missions as their business, aka. a mission runner.
#7 can losely fit as well as the mission runner basically controls everything how, when and if it's done.
#17 ... I leave that up for intepretation.

Next Top Runner · Feb 08, 2012, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Elfblade

You are clueless arent you.
Proof that people use the term running for other stuff then place-to-place running:

and this is just on the first page of services offered and seeking services. The word running(as GAME LINGO) has evolved, to contain this meaning. BTW nowhere is the word rushing mentioned.

The point of this thread is to say that people are using the wrong terminology. Those four above threads are incorrect. Just because the term is used very loosely by many does not mean that it is being used correctly.

If you do not care about using the term "running" correctly, then don't reply to this thread.

drkn · Feb 08, 2012, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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To people that actually know what they are talking about, mission "running" and actually doing the mission are two completely different things.

You have a wrong division there.
In the end, one might argue that you don't want a 'runner' when you need to get to Rata Sum, so don't look for a 'runner' but for someone who would take you on a tour through EotN (a tourer? a tourist?).

The two terms that are not interchangeable and should be used in proper contexts are running and rushing.

Running -> doing something for others (getting them to X, doing missions, vqs, anything) when the speed is not the priority. In most cases, people who are run can go AFK. If you want me to run Aurora Glade HM for you, while you're AFK, i'll just tell you how long should it take, take your money upfront, give you a vampiric weapon and get down to beating the mission.
To "run someone through something" is to take him along when you complete a given task, because he asked you to.

Rushing -> getting something done as fast as possible. It involves using the top touring builds that rely on speed and player's personal skills rather than overdefensive bar. It involves doing any given task as fast as possible, often getting you a bit more money than if you ran it. Speedbooking is a kind of rushing. Doing the Riverside Province during a full Tyrian tour is rushing, as you want to get the mission done as fast as you can, and it takes priority over doing it 'right' (with bonus, stopping at chests, picking up loot, or letting your client to scrape the map - and yeah, sometimes during Tyrian mission runs, the clients wish to explore the location - and why not?).
To "rush someone through something (or somewhere)" is very similar to running, just the notion of speed takes the whole priority.

Even if stubborningly ignoring the above, you seem to wish to control the language itself. It doesn't work like that. The linguists only observe and describe the language, how it is used by people, and only then provide dictionaries or present rules - based on the observations.
So if the people of Tyria use 'running' to describe all payed activity (in short), it is what 'running' means nowadays, even if it meant something else some time ago. The terminology evolves, especially if not codified since the beginning, and it's normal.