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Sandman Uk · Sep 01, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Had to laugh yesterday and just want to make you all aware.

Europe had favor and America was winning in the Halls. I quickly went to Temple of Ages and started building a trapping team for UW.

I have a Necro/Ranger build for the Energy storage. I can also carry Well of Profane maxed Death and then all other attributes into Wilderness survival. This gives me 71 energy with all the traps and a few wells.

Ok I spends the next 15 mins recruiting trapper rangers. Experienced trappers ect (5 Rangers recruited) and then im offered to join my team (5) with another ranger team (3) together to make 8 trappers. With time running out (America two more wins) I accept and the new leader then kicks me immediatley without warning because possibly my build wasnt a primary ranger thus keeping all my trappers I had recruited he then ignored me whilst he recruited another (1)

LOL classic stich up beware.

Im not going to name him he knows who he is I just want you to be aware.

Has anything happened like this to you

Lost · Sep 01, 2005, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Never give up leadership.

Shinsei · Sep 01, 2005, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by Sandman Uk

I have a Necro/Ranger build for the Energy storage.

Laughing out loud.

super dooper · Sep 01, 2005, 06:40 AM // 06:40

I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean the attribute.. -.- (laughing out loud..)

.. I then realize that you could be referring to him not having 13+ Wilderness Survival, either way you get the squinty eyes -.-

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 01, 2005, 07:00 AM // 07:00

I was paired with my brother in thunderhead waiting to do the mission. I was a monk and he was a warrior.
We joined another group and the new leader kicked my brother, who wasn't amused to say the least.
He took it quite personally too.

Mo/W and W/Mo, LFG for mission (kick my bro and i will leave too)

Morganas · Sep 01, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by super dooper

I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean the attribute.. -.- (laughing out loud..)

.. I then realize that you could be referring to him not having 13+ Wilderness Survival, either way you get the squinty eyes -.-

He said he has 71 energy though...
joke of some sort?

Ignoring the oddities of the post, of course they kicked you. You need oath shot and whirling or lightening reflexes to be on an all trapper team. A non-ranger primary can't get that.

Asplode · Sep 01, 2005, 08:28 AM // 08:28

I suppose you could have a semi-reasonable recast of traps with serpent's quickness, but what use is all that energy if it takes you more energy to set traps, because you don't have expertise?

Kamatsu · Sep 01, 2005, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Morganas

He said he has 71 energy though...
joke of some sort?

Ignoring the oddities of the post, of course they kicked you. You need oath shot and whirling or lightening reflexes to be on an all trapper team. A non-ranger primary can't get that.

Well, non-ranger primaries *can* use those skills, they just won't be as effective as a Ranger with expertise - especially considering the 50% chance of failure with Oath Shot... And the Whirling or Lightening will still work, just for not as long... but remember, just because someone doesn't have an attribute doesn't mean they can't use skills tied with that attribute... it's just that they get used at the base level.

Now i'm not commenting on whether or not base level skills are any good in a ranger trapper group/build, I'm just commenting on the statement "A non-ranger primary can't get that." They can get them, just not very effective *shrugs*

now for the 71 energy.. Lets analyze..

20 base energy
+17 energy from scar armor
+15 energy from wand
+15 energy from focii

= 67 energy

Hmm.. I'm 4 short from what he claimed. Maybe he had a moral boost when he counted his energy? (37+10%)+30 = 71! Bingo! He had counted his energy when he had +10% moral.. unless of course I've missed some other way for him to have gotten 4 energy.

Edit - I feel like such an idiot. I forgot 1 thing from my equation.. the fact that focii's have energy over whatever their bonus is.. so that explains the 4 energy I was short. It wasn't moral, it was the base energy from the focii *bang's head on desk* I feel like a right idiot..

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Originally Posted by Sandman Uk

Why Joke on 71 If I push I can get it to 79

He's correct..

20 energy base
+17 from scar armor
+12 from focii
+15 from focii bonus
+15 from wand bonus

= 79 energy

Deadbeat · Sep 01, 2005, 10:19 AM // 10:19

euh....i've never seen someone going into UW with a moral boost.Or is it just me?

Shinsei · Sep 01, 2005, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Starting out with +15/+15 is reason enough to boot someone.

RTSFirebat · Sep 01, 2005, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by Shinsei

Starting out with +15/+15 is reason enough to boot someone.

Maybe but the matter remains that he was the leader of the group, and was kicked out by another guy!

This is the reason I make sure to reject invites from other parties and then invite them back, so I can remain the leader.

Divinitys Creature · Sep 01, 2005, 10:57 AM // 10:57

LMAO

10 chars

RTSFirebat · Sep 01, 2005, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

LMAO

10 chars

??? What does that mean?

GreatLich · Sep 01, 2005, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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Originally Posted by Morganas

Ignoring the oddities of the post, of course they kicked you. You need oath shot and whirling or lightening reflexes to be on an all trapper team. A non-ranger primary can't get that.

LOL, oath shot and lightning reflexes to get on a trapper party? try taking barbed trap and dust trap, works a lot better when you're trapping

Seriously now, if you're shooting at things while trapping the UW, something went wrong with pulling aggro...
And for an elite if anything get barrage, makes getting past the behemoths so much easier

Sandman Uk · Sep 01, 2005, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by Morganas

He said he has 71 energy though...
joke of some sort?

Ignoring the oddities of the post, of course they kicked you. You need oath shot and whirling or lightening reflexes to be on an all trapper team. A non-ranger primary can't get that.

Why Joke on 71 If I push I can get it to 79 Go work it out MOFO

Why should I be kicked without warning because I cant use Oat or Whirling. The point is its wasnt polite to do. Ive done every quest in the Underworld. Not just done them all in one go. Reason dropp outs cause it takes so long. Ive never had Oath or Whirling used. Traps and Spirits and let them do the damage.

Lesson Learned

Oh yeah the screenie

chaos dragoon · Sep 01, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Morganas

You need oath shot

and what exactly is there to shoot oath shot at?those friendly attack aaxes?anyway the elite to use down there is spike trap.thats what most people use.

and to the op that is just rediculus what he did.

Sandman Uk · Sep 01, 2005, 12:01 PM // 12:01

I beg to differ on spike trap. Unless its placed at the back. Tends to knock them over and makes other traps inefective. Dust,Barbed,Flame,QZ,ER,MT

Enougth down BOOM BOOM PWNED, groups of smites dissapear before my eyes.

trelloskilos · Sep 01, 2005, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by Morganas

He said he has 71 energy though...
joke of some sort?

Ignoring the oddities of the post, of course they kicked you. You need oath shot and whirling or lightening reflexes to be on an all trapper team. A non-ranger primary can't get that.

No you don't!

In fact, using oath shot is pretty suicidal if you intend to trap UW. Can you imagine? Lay 3 traps (You'll only have 3 cos oath shot is your elite), then, to reset the recharge times, you shoot an ataxe. Not even whirling and lightning will help!

I go on 3-4 man trap parties (sometimes even 2), and I never have oath shot with me - just 4 traps, 1 spirit, serpent's quickness, troll unguent and rebirth. Sometimes, the puller is packing WD, but that's about it.

And as for the energy, my ranger primary can get a healthy en boost by using Drok's Druid armour along with a staff, raising it from 25 to 43 (and would probably be higher if I met the attribute requirement on the staff!)

Also, on a final note, I've been on trap parties with secondary rangers, and some of them have been better than some primary rangers I've trapped with. Maybe they may not be able to raise their WS to 16, but their primary classes usually have a good stock of tricks to maximise their trapping potential, as well as having a higher en pool to draw on. Judging books by their covers is not a crime, but you will lose out

ElderAtronach · Sep 01, 2005, 12:24 PM // 12:24

Nec/Ranger is awesome to have for UW, but... wells? You'd want offering of blood to recharge the other rangers who brought 4 traps. Bah, if you wanted healing, bring healing spring... it kicks well's ass.

EDIT: nvm, he said well of profane, which would be great vs smites. Still, you'd need a body to work from, and they don't last that long... I dunno, I've never had trouble trapping smites as long as the puller didn't horribly botch the pull.

Sandman Uk · Sep 01, 2005, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Yeah so next time MOFO leave a necro/Ranger in the team they can be an asset