Chizu Dancing

[here to troll]

Do you do it, in pvp that is, or even pve( i did see the link from marty) but imo it seems like too much work(im mostly a pve) and positioning is THAT much

[Winterclaw]

If the top PvP teams seem to think it's worth it for PvP, it probably is until someone proves them wrong.

And I don't PvP enough to practice it.

[Teutonic Paladin]

In PvE it will do nothing for you, it is a complete waste of time. In PvP, anyone who can do it, will do it, it's incredibly effective.

[Chthon]

Forgive my ignorance, but hwat the hell is "chizu dancing"?

[_Nihilist_]

Chiizu Dancing is an advanced movement strategy developed and used by Chiizu, of Delta Formation [DF], as well as other serious PvPer's. It involves using the mouse to click-to-move rather than using the keyboard keys. It not only incorporates move-attack, but also pre-emptive anti-kiting/body-blocking/positioning to land more hits and make kiting as difficult as possible for your target.

There is a link in the Warrior Sticky that takes you to a page in the Team Quitter Forums, and exactly where Marty points it out, a little more than halfway down the page, Chiizu explains how he does the "Chiizu Dancing" that you are asking about.

In PvE, it's a complete waste of time, mobs fall too quickly, and most of them tend to aggro as soon as you have stopped them via a body-block.

In PvP, however, when you are fighting a human opponent, they are more likely to continue to attempt to kite away from you when you press an attack. Chiizu Dancing counters this by constantly moving with mouse-clicking in the direction that you think your target will try to kite away, while also hitting the [ SPACE ] bar to attack, body-blocking the target while attacking them, and constantly shifting in their space, preventing them from kiting in a single direction to successfully shake you off of them. Observers say that it looks like Chiizu and others that use this tactic are dancing around their targets, hence the name.

Nothing here that the post linked to by Marty doesn't say. Chalk one up for making it even easier for people to be lazy... +1.

[ EDIT ]

If you have ever watched boxing or any one of the many martial arts or MMA competitions, you'll see the fighters constantly circling one another, even while in the process of attacking, throwing feints, and probing. In 1 on 1 combat, even in a game, controlling how your opponent is able to move gives you a distinct advantage. If you can't get away from a Physical that is glued to you, you are going to hurt, end of story. Chiizu Dancing is the "float like a butterfly" part of the equation in the quote from Muhammad Ali, movement is just as important as landing blows, even in GW combat.

[ 2nd EDIT ]

Sorry about the incorrect guild, my bad! And yes, anyone can benefit from this, but most importantly, as said below, is when NOT to use it. That can get you in REAL thick.

[Gladiator Motoko]

Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

Chiizu Dancing is an advanced movement strategy developed and used by Chiizu, of Team Quitter [QQ].

Delta Formation [DF]

Not [QQ].

[Rhamia Darigaz]

why would you not chizu dance in pvp?
yes positioning's that important

[Tyla]

I do it in PvE aswell because it's hawt.

[Ben-A-BoO]

Originally Posted by Tyla

I do it in PvE aswell because it's hawt.

It's good training and becomes a habit after a short time, anyway ...

Watch this if you are still puzzled by the whole dancing thing:

Team Love [kiSu] vs. Dead Baby [joke]

Team Love [kiSu] vs Flying V Formation [HiDE]

[Ec]-[oMaN]

Too bad he's the only one that can actually do it well and consistent. The main bigger purpose for it is greater chance on bigger numbers while he hits you from the backside; and to a lesser extent the opponent has to kite sideways instead of backwards to avoid more hits, Chizu is forcing you where to move. BTW those videos don't do him justice seen him do better.

[Shadow-Hunter]

Is this type of movement also adviceable to use for defencive movement*? Or only as an offencive melee attacker?

* And if so, how exactly is it executed to benefit you deffencively?

[Tyla]

Bodyblocking a target could result in defensive use too. Put it this way, if you Bull's Strike someone, say a Warrior for defensive purposes, you could bodyblock him to keep him away from whatever for longer. Sorta linebackey but meh.

[Shadow-Hunter]

Yea ofc, but still, guess this is mainly a Warrior thing then?

[Tyla]

It applies to anything that attacks. For example, as a Ranger, attack a target and while Tabspacing move away from melee or into their casters for a much better position. Also, say you're wanding something for additional pressure, do the same thing then. Keep in mind you don't want to do this as much with a Warrior training you.

[moriz]

the chiizu dance is more commonly known as the "quarterstep". and yes, every profession can take advantage of this, for offensive as well as defensive reasons.

for example, i can use it while firing shots at an ele with my ranger, so i can consistently place myself outside the range of the ele and avoid his counter attack. i can also use it while wanding with my monk, allowing me to deal some extra pressure on low targets and repositioning myself at the same time.

quarterstepping will benefit just about everybody. however, it's important to know when NOT to use it. too often i've seen warriors place themselves into WORSE positions because they try to quarterstep too much.

[PyrAnkh]

I don't do it in pve, i do it in pvp though. And not only on a warrior, i tend to do it on my assasin as well.

[Ben-A-BoO]

Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

BTW those videos don't do him justice seen him do better.

Yeah but that doesn't help does it?
The vids may help people who still wonder how to dance ...

If you got a better vid let us know

[Greedy Gus]

Originally Posted by Shadow-Hunter

Is this type of movement also adviceable to use for defencive movement*? Or only as an offencive melee attacker?

* And if so, how exactly is it executed to benefit you deffencively?

Using mouse-click to move is absolutely advisable for kiting away from melee attackers defensively. Phelann from MH probably wrote best about it from a defensive standpoint:

http://www.teamquitter.com/phpBB2/vi...?p=16711#16711

However, this topic's discussion only applies to someone attacking because at the core it's all about initiating movement while your attack is still executing (where simply autoattacking will stand still), and then cancelling that movement with another attack (when it's ready based on attack rate) with spacebar, and continually repeating that process.

Originally Posted by moriz

the chiizu dance is more commonly known as the "quarterstep". and yes, every profession can take advantage of this, for offensive as well as defensive reasons.

If that's true about the common term, then it's a misnomer. This technique has nothing to do with anything relating to quarter-second timing, which is where "quarterbreak" came from (disrupting even a quarter-second cast with another KD or interrupt) as well as the bastardized term "quarterknock" (a term promoted by newbies recently learning about quarterbreaking, previously known as "knocklock" being a more specific instance of a quarterbreak).

[mike7333]

when i first started playing i used click to move, and i used to get an earfull for doing so, people saying i couldnt move as well as if i was using wasd, looks like i have to practice all over, showed them tho at least haha

[_Nihilist_]

Mouse-click noises annoy me to the Nth degree. Inefficiency annoys me further. Mouse-clicks FTW.