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Old Mar 23, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30   #21
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Those are hard to notice at first sight...

But since grenth is not of the original 6 gods, that means hes not a dragon. And the fact he has wings kinda puts the OP's theory into jeopardy.

But it brings another question into the picture... Who, or what, is Grenth actually?
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Old Mar 23, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43   #22
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But it brings another question into the picture... Who, or what, is Grenth actually?
This thread attempts to figure that out.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10259213
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Old Mar 24, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21   #23
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I think thats more of a background than wings.
Seeing how there are 3 background displays, I think those are suppose to be wings on Grenth. I think that was placed there to give the Angel of Death idea like I mentioned under the pic.
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Old Mar 24, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59   #24
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GHE look more like a goat.which is..quite scary.a talking goat...i Bet.the necro are forbidden to eat Mutton.if so then It is A GOAT!!.
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Old Apr 14, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50   #25
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I'm still not sure we or anyone in general should be so hasty to assume that the Ancient Dragons are the Gods. If you follow the Path to Revelations quest chain in the Tarnished Coast you'll notice that in the dialogue after finishing each quest Kerrsh tells you bits and pieces of what he is discovering in his research.

Read over those, if you will, and tell me you're still certain of the Gods being the Ancient Dragons or human or any creature at all. Oh and Azazel are you certain the wings aren't actually horns or his robes?
When kerrsh speaks of the eternal alchemy it opens a gap for another theory:

Think of that, if you know that some god (or a divine entity) is real, and powerful, you worship it. We know our gods exist, we just don't know if they are gods. If the asura also know them, and know their powers, and know they are real, but still they don't worship them, that means our gods are only very powerful entities, maybe divine, but not invulnrable or a-destroyable. Also, abbadon descendance shows us that gods are not as powerful as they want us to think they are.
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Old Apr 14, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28   #26
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Wow, thanks for reopening the thread I somehow inspired!

At your comment, I believe in all ancient Mythology, such as from greek mythology, all gods are able to be cast down. In that context, being a "God" would simply mean that you are a very powerful being that does not age. Not "immortal" in the sense that you cannot be killed but "immortal" in the sense that you are hard to kill.

Just knowing the existence of a powerful being, or knowing the existence for the worship of a powerful being, does not mean that it is divine. Although, for the game, the gods are divine in the part that they are all powerful. But then what are the Nature Spirits that the Norn worship? They are, to the norn, divine, and they are eternal, and it can be argued that they are powerful, just as the Gods are.

There are several religions, and in such fantasy 'stories,' they are all/mostly real. The Gods are 'real' gods, the Nature Spirits of the Norn are real 'gods' the Titans are real 'gods' etc etc. The only thing we don't know about the religion parts, is who the "Six True Gods" are/were and what their origin is.
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Wow, thanks for reopening the thread I somehow inspired!

At your comment, I believe in all ancient Mythology, such as from greek mythology, all gods are able to be cast down. In that context, being a "God" would simply mean that you are a very powerful being that does not age. Not "immortal" in the sense that you cannot be killed but "immortal" in the sense that you are hard to kill.

Just knowing the existence of a powerful being, or knowing the existence for the worship of a powerful being, does not mean that it is divine. Although, for the game, the gods are divine in the part that they are all powerful. But then what are the Nature Spirits that the Norn worship? They are, to the norn, divine, and they are eternal, and it can be argued that they are powerful, just as the Gods are.

There are several religions, and in such fantasy 'stories,' they are all/mostly real. The Gods are 'real' gods, the Nature Spirits of the Norn are real 'gods' the Titans are real 'gods' etc etc. The only thing we don't know about the religion parts, is who the "Six True Gods" are/were and what their origin is.
I looked more from the point of view of our times and religions and not from the point of view of the greek mythology. Your answer does contradict a part from my theory, but think of that: every creature that spoke of the true gods called them true gods. If you are calling a god a true god, than you probably should worship him, and not a fake god. Also, I', not so sure that the norn spirits are gods... More like divine entities that direct the norn. They don't have power, at least not corporeal... If we got to this point, we should define what is a "god". If a god is a powerful entity, than wouldn't glint be a god? and if it has to be divine, than why the titans and mursaat are gods? Maybe only a true god is divine?
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Old Apr 14, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12   #28
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About the Norn's Nature Spirits, I never called them gods, just things that are worshiped like they were gods. They do have powers, hence the existance of the three Blessings.

In the definition of a god, that is too hard to settle with, as everyone has a different opinion on what makes god(s) a god. If one thinks about it, anything that has power can be considered gods. Pharaohs were 'gods' but yet they died just as any other human. Some would say that a god cannot be killed at all, but that goes against all polytheistic religions, because if something cannot be killed, and therefore it exists forever, then it had to be created by something of equal, or greater power. Which is where most religions get their flaw, and the 'theory' of existence from nothing.

So, in reality, anything that has power over something else can be called a god by another, humans are gods to insects and other animals, the sun can be our god, etc etc. So really Glint can be considered a god *which is why the Brotherhood of the Dragon is considered an outcast from the other Deldrimor dwarves*. The Mursaat and Titans are gods to some, but false ones.

So, really, the human's gods may not even be real gods, just beings that are much more powerful then anything else that is known *not including the dragons* that also have their own realms and govern the dead. But then again, it is having their own realms and governing the dead in the Rift that makes them to be considered 'True Gods.'
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Old Apr 14, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50   #29
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But then again, it is having their own realms and governing the dead in the Rift that makes them to be considered 'True Gods.'
They gave magic and shaped the plane of Tyria - two things which i would consider to be done by a True God. The other "Fake Gods" have never actually done anything like that - i mean sure they have put on nice displays but in the end thats all they were.

The gods actually emerged,were able to create worlds,change forms,create races and magic and leave Tyria behind. The fact is that the 5 Gods appear to actually have understanding and power in the Mists. That in itself makes them more than a simple group masquerading as gods.

I believe the truth behind the gods is the Mists themselves. Once we are able to figure out the Mists we will figure out the gods.

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Old Apr 15, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18   #30
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The gods actually emerged,were able to create worlds,change forms,create races and magic and leave Tyria behind. The fact is that the 5 Gods appear to actually have understanding and power in the Mists. That in itself makes them more than a simple group masquerading as gods.
Here is a question for you. Other then belief, how do we know that the 'True Gods' created the world of Tyria? The Lore on the history of the world is all based off of Charr and Human knowledge, unless I am mistaken, and if so, post a link to where I am mistaken. The Charr hated the Gods and the Forgotten, thats all they mention of them since they were created. Humans were put on the earth by the gods, thats the only fact that they give, the rest is all assumptions.

There might be a part where the forgotten say that they were created by the gods, I cannot recall if they do or not, but I do not believe they ever say that the gods actually created the world, and there are no mentions of the giants, or the Ancient Dragons, which are supposedly older then the forgotten, so how do we know that the gods created the dragons? maybe the dragons created the gods? THAT is the mystery we need to figure out . Only creatures to give evidence to creating other creatures are the Gods and the Dragons.

Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg? or should I say, the Dragons or the Gods?
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Old Apr 15, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04   #31
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ok grenth is some phycho awesome undead dude the rest are mortal
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Old Apr 15, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50   #32
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Here is a question for you. Other then belief, how do we know that the 'True Gods' created the world of Tyria? The Lore on the history of the world is all based off of Charr and Human knowledge, unless I am mistaken, and if so, post a link to where I am mistaken. The Charr hated the Gods and the Forgotten, thats all they mention of them since they were created. Humans were put on the earth by the gods, thats the only fact that they give, the rest is all assumptions.

There might be a part where the forgotten say that they were created by the gods, I cannot recall if they do or not, but I do not believe they ever say that the gods actually created the world, and there are no mentions of the giants, or the Ancient Dragons, which are supposedly older then the forgotten, so how do we know that the gods created the dragons? maybe the dragons created the gods? THAT is the mystery we need to figure out . Only creatures to give evidence to creating other creatures are the Gods and the Dragons.

Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg? or should I say, the Dragons or the Gods?
The gods did not "create Tyria" exactly. It was there from the beginning (When the beginning was is another question) because as we can see the Dragons and GL slept and walked around before the 5 gods we know entered Tyria so unless they had created it sometime thousands of years before, Tyria could not have been created from the point the gods stepped out.

They simply shaped it as i said. I never actually said they created Tyria in that paragraph. However i did say that they created worlds and the worlds i was talking about are the Fissure of Woe and The Underworld.

Now we dont have evidence that they were the ones who created them - but supposeing they did those 2 worlds may not be on the same scale as the world of Tyria but they are still worlds.

The Forgotton were summoned from the Mists by the gods. None of them ever say if they were originally created by the gods someplace else (lets face it they are not that talkative in Prophecies and in Nightfall all they want to talk about is Abaddon)

Now we will not be able to solve the mystery of the origins of the Dragons and Gods at this current time because there is not enough information on the Dragons. They could of created the gods,they could be previous gods,they could of been intended to be the real gods but got replaced or they could have nothing to do with the gods at all. We wont know until we get solid information about the Gods,Dragons and Mists.

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Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg? or should I say, the Dragons or the Gods?
Until we know the time of creation for the gods...its the Dragons.
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