You know you’re in a good Guild when:

[fgarvin]

You only see the word “noob” when someone is good-naturedly joking a fellow Guildie.

If you need 5k for your Grotto armor, someone GIVES it to you.

THK kicking your butt? Seven Guildies stop what they’re doing to help.

Tired of being lvl 6? You receive several offers to power-level your character.

Need to cap that one last skill? More people than you need offer to help.

75% or better of the players are on every night.

There are NO cliques, everyone is equally accepted into any outing.


How do you know if you’re in a bad Guild?

Anyone?

[aron searle]

There are NO clicks, everyone is equally accepted into any outing.



Stupid question time, did you mean kicks? otherwise im lost.

How do you know if you’re in a bad Guild?

heres one (more of a bad member than bad guild)

when you have members that do nothing but ask for gold/items/runs and never actually chat.

[fgarvin]

Stupid question time, did you mean kicks? otherwise im lost

Sorry, should have used the French spelling...

clique
n : an exclusive circle of people with a common purpose

[asdar]

clicks = cliques

A clique is an exclusive sub group. Say the top 6 people group all the time and nobody else is welcome, that'd be a clique.

[Theus]

Sounds like you have found yourself an incredibly excellent guild.

Bad guilds hmmm...

Probably if they are all a bunch of elitist assholes and laugh at your builds.

[XvArchonvX]

I have two guilds like that, LoL. Only thing is one guild only has about 5 members since it's in a process of rebuilding. I had a mate give me 15k on two occaisions. Once I started to make good money from SF farming I ended up giving her a ton of greens in an attempt to show thanks.

[Pevil Lihatuh]

heh im in a great guild now, pretty much would do everything you put there.

my previous guild (a big guild, and i have to say, a lot of great friends in there from a different game, along with many people from this game who i never knew), but total rubbish to be in. They never spoke on guild chat. Never saw them in game, other than as names. They had two guilds because we were so big, so i never knew half the members. And then, to cap it all off, one of the many reasons I left "Well we don't want our guild to suck in rankings so if you're good at PvP join our 3rd guild, if not stay where you are".

Pfft elitist. Never looked back after joining my new guild. But I do still talk to a few of them that I knew before I joined. They're good guys. But the size just makes it... bleh.

[fgarvin]

Probably if they are all a bunch of elitist assholes and laugh at your builds.

You're always gonna have one or two in every Guild, but in a good Guild, you will also have good officers and other members letting the jerks know what the limits are. Looking back, I laughed at a few of my own builds, and others did to, but along with the laughter, there was always constructive criticism.

Pfft elitist

Elitist = Jerks = No Fun = New Guild

[Arturo02]

dumb side note but why is your char named popi chulo?

[Swampgirl Inez]

I had a really good guild just like that in another game, but we didn't survive the switch to GW. :(

[Mordakai]

How do you know if you’re in a bad Guild?

Anyone?

When everytime you log on, you're the only guildie online.

(Seriously, I think it's time I find another guild!)

[fgarvin]

dumb side note but why is your char named popi chulo?

VERY old nickname...and yes, I know it is spelled incorrectly. Hooked on Phonics....FTW

[quickmonty]

Pretty much hit the nail on the head, fgarvin. Sounds a lot like my guild.

[Yichi]

wasnt "papi chulo" the name of the gay club in the movie "honey" ? :D

[fgarvin]

wasnt "papi chulo" the name of the gay club in the movie "honey" ? :D

Never heard of the movie, but if it was the name of the club, I'm sure it was the best gay club ever!

(Man, my wife's gonna kill me if she sees this post...lol)

[Yichi]

Go rent it. Jessica Alba looks very yummy in that movie *drools*

[fgarvin]

Go rent it. Jessica Alba looks very yummy in that movie *drools*

Wait...something's wrong...my pants are getting tight... :eek:

[Yichi]

I should really do something at work other than browse the forums........

[fgarvin]

ditto

[fgarvin]

Back to the topic at hand....what are some of the signs that it's time to abandon ship?

[dont feel no pain]

LOL u guys are funny spending your time on forums at work

[Monen]

There are always going to be cliques in any group. It really becomes a problem when a guild becomes too large. It's just human nature to form smaller groups within larger ones; it's just how we're put together. I only quest with about nine people in my 60+ member guild. I've gotten to the point to where I don't care about who ever else is on at any given time, my regular questing mates are all that matter. Including extensions to our small group, there are about 15-20 of us who could start our own guild and never really worry about having at least six others to explore with at any given time.

If you're not in the popular clique, there's something wrong with your playing style, your experience level (not the level of you characters) or just your personality.

There will always be the popular people, and the unpopular outcasts who hate them. Losers. :cool:

[Mimi Miyagi]

How to tell if you're in a BAD Guild

When you ask for guildies to help you get past THK, Elona, etc, they tell you "STFU Noob, PVE is dead".

When playing Tombs or GVG, only the "best" players play, meaning that several players that want to participate sit around with their thumbs up their ass - over and over.

Lots of swearing, yelling, threatening to quit, etc over TS when the team fails to win HoH.

Leadership are hypocrites, expecting players to help each other, yet do nothing for anyone themselves except brag about what rank they are and how many sigils they own.

And yes, I was in a Guild that exhibited ALL of these traits.

[DarkWasp]

You know you are in a good guild when they keep clean on Team Speak, and dont sing about there ,Ehe, parts...
————
You know you are in a bad guild if they do, and there are more then 15 people in the guild.

You also know you are in a bad guild if the guild leader makes you pay taxes.

-If over 45% of them scam

-If they kick people because they are not "GOOD" enough

-If the guild name is racist

-If one or more members ask for your password (Never give your password out to anybody.)

-If the guild recruits with public messages

-If the officers dont help the members

-If the officers dont kick troublesome members

-If your guild is not polite to the other guilds (Winning or losing) in GvG or Tombs.

[Chev of Hardass]

A good guild:

-Let's you GvG within the first week(assuming you gave them a chance to see that you are competant).
-organizes Tombs runs while not GvGing.
-has a web-site to set up times so that everyone can be on at similar times.
-will let people play as long as they are competant at the job they are being assigned.
-will outcast people that do nothing but jump online and expect everyone to drop everything so they can get run to some stupid town that hench can take you too.


Bad Guild members:

-say things like let's just f*cking go while forming a team for GvG/Tombs.
-admit they suck at PvE, and want to get run everywhere.
-ask for money within the first week of membership.
-try to change builds to suit thier skill selection/level of play.
-cry when they don't participate in guild activities, except for GvG night where they get ignored (due to lack of activity).
-complain about not being invited to anything, but hear people looking for people in Vent and don't speak up.


I know there are more.

[fgarvin]

Great Avatar...haha

[dimirpaw]

You only see the word “noob” when someone is good-naturedly joking a fellow Guildie.

If you need 5k for your Grotto armor, someone GIVES it to you.

THK kicking your butt? Seven Guildies stop what they’re doing to help.

Tired of being lvl 6? You receive several offers to power-level your character.

Need to cap that one last skill? More people than you need offer to help.

75% or better of the players are on every night.

There are NO cliques, everyone is equally accepted into any outing.


How do you know if you’re in a bad Guild?

Anyone?

It's a shame I have never been in one of these Guilds you speak of. :( Oh well, maby someday I shall. Thanks for your list though hehe, 100% on what I think is a good guild. To me a Guild is like a little online family, you need to help eachother and make sure everyone is having a good time.

[Fyre Brand]

I had a really good guild just like that in another game, but we didn't survive the switch to GW. :(Same here. I played Lineage about 3 years and had a great pledge there. A couple guys decided to play GW and wanted the pledge to come and play so I did. Now I'm the only one left from that pledge.

I did find the best guild in the whole game though. I love my guild now. They have all of the great qualities that fgarvin and others mentioned. They are fun to hunt and chat with. We make items available to the guild before the open market. We help each other with build ideas or suggestions. We go on hunts to cool places.

Another thing I realized that hasn't been mentioned, but we have members from East Coast US/Canada, West Coast US/Canada, Asia, and a few other places around the world.

[Maxiemonster]

This is an opinion, so we can't really tell you when you're in a 'bad guild', since we don't have your brains. I think bad guilds are guilds that don't play PVE, and too much PVP, because I'm not a big PVP fan, though, probably most people think via versa..

[Kais Unduli]

If an officer tells you to drop what you're doing to help him out, you're in a bad guild. This happened to me in the first guild I was in. This officer actually thought he could order me around, like we were in the military or something.

[fgarvin]

This is an opinion, so we can't really tell you when you're in a 'bad guild', since we don't have your brains.

That was not the point of my post...I actually have no negatives to offer concerning my Guild, I honestly have zero complaints. This post was mostly a way to show others, who may not be in a "good" Guild, what it can be like once you are in one. Everyone is going to have a bad day or two no matter what Guild they're in, but if every day is bad, its time to change your Guild from the inside and if that doesn't work, go shopping for a new one.

[Yogi's Pain]

Everyone has different idea's on good and bad. Personally if someone asks for 5k to finish a set of 15k armor over guildchat, I'd laugh at him. You would think that they could earn 5k easy enough themselves by that point. However if someone is asking for 5k to buy materials for forge armor, no problem. I'll get to you soon as I can.

Was in a great guild but decided to leave for a while to find more pvp opportunities elsewhere. Now I'm in a decent guild but kind of miss being the one that people counted on instead of just an average member.

[Loch]

You're in a good guild if members who take a large interest in the guild become officers.

A good guild wants strong players to take part in rated GvG, but also wants to teach new players how to play GvG. The goal should be to have every player who's interested in competition become good at it.

If a guild doesn't take part in PvP, then it's considered good if it has friendly players who PvE together often, and helps out players in need.

If a guild doesn't do either? Then it's bad. Usually you'll get into bad guilds by accepting town announcements (or, like with my very first guild, a blind invite - it was my second day playing the game, but I still should have known better).

[Dead Dubble Doom]

You know your in a bad guild when...
your guildies hate your little butt
your guildies beg you until you finally have had enough and you log off
everyone says "SUCK MINE B*TCH" offensive things for no reason
People have offensive names
75% of the people never play
everyone wants free runs from like piken to droks or something
people just love to pick on the lower levels (not using the term noob, some people just think if you use it, you are one :P cant help it)
Last and least...
officers and leader shun you and threaten to kick you if you dont do what they ask.

[LiQuId StEeL]

You know you're in a good guild when you log in just to talk to the people, and have a good time.

... when your guildmates refuse money.

... when you can threaten to kick someone, and the bust out laughing.

... when you are under MY COMMAND :P

[lg5000]

And how do you find a guild?

Do you randomly accept the recruiting advertisements throughout Tyria or is there a better way of finding what you're looking for?

[LiQuId StEeL]

I found my guild by going on a Fissure run with a few of the members. Some people have good luck in Tombs groups, but I usually just go as a full guild, so I never really get into that.

From my experience (2 months as a guild-hopper... not voluntarily, every guild I joined died), the open-recruitment spammers, and people that advertise that thay have cool capes, are usually morons. Sometimes you get lucky and have some decent people, but it's usually beggers, and lamers.

The best way to get into a guild is go active, and play whatever type of GW you like (PvE, PvP), and get to be e-friends with a few people in the guild.

[Fyre Brand]

If an officer tells you to drop what you're doing to help him out, you're in a bad guild. This happened to me in the first guild I was in. This officer actually thought he could order me around, like we were in the military or something.Unless he says, "Forget that lame quest you're doing let's get going on a UW smite run!" I'm always up for that.

[Funda]

Hmm, i guess our guild is a lil different, but:

We never expect free runs (we hate char's being "ran" or "rushed")
We never expect free items --tho they may end up being free

Gold is something earned, not asked for. Certainly if a guildie is in need of new armor or crafting materials for such, then thats something we'd like to help out with. But it really isnt ever *expected* of other guildies.

All in all, I love my guild. We are selective on who we accept in the guild and we try to preserve a balance and a feeling of cameraderie. We're still small, but tight knit. :)

It must really suck for guildies to tell other guildies to "stfu noob". If that were directed to me, I'd be gone as soon as it was said.

[Dzan]

Probably if they are all a bunch of elitist assholes and laugh at your builds.

Or a bunch of people who keep suggesting awful builds and when given constructive criticism they dont take it but rather throw it back in your face.

For every good player that acts like an elitist there is a bad player who does too, heh.

[Whispering Siren]

You know you're in a good guild if you are the leader and declare it a monarchy... then people start bowing down to you and calling you "Your Highness." :p

.... you threaten the use of Unyielding Aura and you start getting taunted into emote wars.

And we're all just laughing in front of our respective computers.

Hmm... all in all I have to say the #1 sign of a good guild is lots of laughter.

[Andy_M]

You know when you are in a bad guild when :-


After much intense badgering you agree to move to the US servers to be with the rest of the guild (even though most of them are from Europe anyway). This is after joining the guild on the proviso that I did not HAVE to move servers in the first place. Shortly after joining and moving servers you take a long weekend off to visit old uni friends. On coming back and logging on you find that the guild has self-destructed (after an arguement about something really trivial), leaving yourself and the leader as the only ones left.


Thats when you take a 3 month break, move back to euro servers and decide that you are never switching servers again. I suppose I did not help myself when I refused to go to the UW on general principles (I passionately do not believe in a pvp aspect of the game affecting where you can go in pve and still don't). I am surprised that you are still limited to 5 server switches still, thought they were getting rid of that.

[Amity]

Quick question: Do people in other guild use guild chat as a means to have a casual chat with other guildies e.g. how was your day?. The guild im in only has these words going through the guild chat:

1. Hey *other person* can you go UW farm with me
2. I'm two ecto away from FoW armor
3. Hey *other person again* can you help me with SF farming
4. Can i have ***** gold, colth etc.
5. Can somone run me too ****
6. Hi Everyone
7. Bye Everyone

From the first hour i joind i heard 4&5 alot of times.

I had more friendly talk in ten minutes with two people in maguuma stade last night who just Hi and we started talking. That was the first time i have had a friendly chat in 6 months of playing.

I havent been in a good guild so i cant say "You know you’re in a good Guild when:"

But i can say "You know your in a bad guild when..."
- The leader logs in for 10 minutes every 5 days
- You have more than 50 people but 35 of them havent been on for more than 2 months.
- You ask somone a question and they answer it but when they do you feel like they just want you to shut up, so you end up feeling like an outcast.
- One of the members says good night and gets 8 replys, you say it and get one.
- One of the members name is Pwn Ur Ass or Uber Warrior and they act like jerks but no one kicks them becuase they want alot of members in the guild.
- Somone in the guild says "can someone help me with borliss pass" and your the only person to respond, everyone else say that they are to busy farming griffons or ettins.
- Your leader posts builds on your website, but they're FOtM builds from other forums like IWAY and EoE bomb, and doest want to try anything else becuase he says "They must be awsome becuase everyone else is using them".

[Malice Black]

for me a good guild is talkative/helpful/giving and active (been in 2)

bad guild - only PVP/non active/more worried about money then having a laugh (been in too many 2 count)

my current guild always says hello goodbye etc asking for price checks or just general chat

another example of a bad guild imo is a guild who asks you to submit a essay/application form on why u should be chosen to join <<wtf a game is for fun not for life

[Amity]

more worried about money then having a laugh

The definition of my guild :)

[v__p]

right now, im in a great guild, we dont know anyone in real life though we know them all well, ive been in my guild for aobut 3-4 months, we all call each other by there real names, and we dont use vent just for pvp, we use it for regular chat etc.
our officers adn guild leader is very nice and there always willing to help, though we have some members who arent all that helpful, a member we recruited recently was sort of the opposite of what my guild is like, when he came, he begged for money, then spammed on the guild chat that he needed help with this and that, and also left half way through missions, runs etc that he asked for help with.
if ur guild is like the first part of my post, its a good one :D , though if its on the second part of my post its a bad one :( .
my first guild wasnt too bad, they were nice and helpful though 90% of the time i logged on there was no more then 3 ppl on

[Swampgirl Inez]

Hmm... all in all I have to say the #1 sign of a good guild is lots of laughter.

I totally agree. My guild was originally started in another game because a group of us on the forums got to joking around and RP'ing. It went on for a while and finally turned into an ingame joke. We eventually formed a guild based off of this.

Anytime someone needed something, we gave it. It wasn't asked of us, it just happened. If one of us got some cool loot we couldn't use, we saved it for a guild member. The crafter's in our guild made serious money and the other's hunted and gathered the resources to supply the crafter, who passed around the wealth. We were always cutting up in GuildChat and TeamSpeak. Our guild was never very big, but that was OK. We got along fine and always helped each other out with whatever was needed. Most of all, we became friends. We're all scattered between several games now, but we still email and IM each other.

[Juicey Shake]

first guild was comparable to a house with a decaying roof and drug addicts coming in and out daily [log on, load up, fall out]


guild announcements were used as communication to offline guildies

the few good members in it jumped to a friends guild and now it's growing growing.

everyone in the new guild is friendly and such, we used to farm together moreso, but not so much this past week.

if someone gets a green someone else was looking for, whoever needs it gets it.

we're just cool like that.

[LiQuId StEeL]

The top two reasons a good guild is good (revised):

1. Fun. If the people aren't fun to be with/talk to, why are you there? (Our guild has a bunch of people who know each other IRL, and it an get pretty amusing to say the least)

2. You have a place! I can't even begint o count how many times I joined a guild, and just felt out of place. I've been in them all; from completely mute, to overhelpful, and get put-out when the 'new recruit' doesn't need their help. The people that seem to have bad guild experiences over and over tend to be quiet, and overly serious. I know my place in my guild. I am the PvE officer in a PvP directed guild. What a match, eh?

All in all though, the only way to tell if you are in a good guild is if you are in the top 100 on the ranking

[The Yoink]

You're always gonna have one or two in every Guild, but in a good Guild, you will also have good officers and other members letting the jerks know what the limits are. Looking back, I laughed at a few of my own builds, and others did to, but along with the laughter, there was always constructive criticism.



Elitist = Jerks = No Fun = New Guild

Oh, lord.. brings back some memories... my first character (and my favorite) was/is a monk/ranger.... and yes, I definately was rockin' a 10 in marksmanship and using a bow, and probably around a 2 in divine favor... oh, how I got yelled at in GvG :)

in any event, bad: players on their first character ALWAYS asking for $$$
good: constant stream of friendly banter in guildchat

[Stixxx]

My experiences so far:

BAD guilds:

Guild 1
-after 1 week being a member i was the only one who came online. If there was someone online, he / she didnt talk to me what so ever.

Guild 2
-filled with a bunch of immature kids who formed groups on there own. if i asked to join i couldnt because i was :a) to inexperienced or b) not an officer.
-if i was longer offline then 5 days the guildleader or officers would kick me.
-we couldnt participate or organize team arena's or any form of PvP without the guildleaders approval.

Guild 3
Absolutely the best guild ever! (IMO)
All friendly, mature ppl who always are willing to help if you need it.
There are members grouping together, but they are open so if u wanna join its no problem.
Guildleader and officers are just great. Very experienced too (as it should be ^^)

Last time we were doing GvG, and after a couple wins & losses one of the officers suggested that more members had monks. I was already planning a build for a monk before he said that, so i told him i was gonna make one, along with another guild member.
So...we both made monks, got through pre searing. we arrived in Ascalon (lvls 3 & 5), and the officer ran us ALL the way to DROKNAR!!!
When we arrived there he bought us both complete Droknar armor!
In a few days we gonna start with powerlevelling and ascencion.
Now how's that for a guild!!!!

KENG forever!

Stixxx

[Caelus The Fallen]

and this is slightly off-topic, but clique is the only spelling of the word, and its not pronounced "click" its pronounced like "cleek".
www.thefreedictionary.com/clique

[MoldyRiceFrenzy]

when the guild members are so impatient and have no common sense...

[unienaule]

When your guild tries to sell a spot in it on Ebay. /sarcasm off

[chris_nin00]

You know your guild is good when
-There is good teamwork
-there are social/funny people
-Pikachu is one of the character's names
-You're in it

You know your guild is bad when
-You make a Guild wars Guru [GURU] Guild
<----- IT's REal! :p I'm not kidding.

[pi!!ow]

What about guild members? When should one think about applying or looking for a guild?

I've got started with my R/me a week ago and have raised him to lvl 13.

I read under DarkWasp's post that a trait of 'bad-guilds' are public advertisements for members. That logically seems like just a ploy to garner members for the guild and not a fine filter for integrity and proactive guild-member material.

So how should someone such as I, weathered from soloing so much, attract the attention of a good guild? For on the player side, it isn't too seemly to be scavenging for a 'guild that helps its players all the time,' or, 'is a great community.'

Since such groupings would be cliques in themselves of a sort, right?

[Sekkira]

When your guild tries to sell a spot in it on Ebay. /sarcasm off

aB ftw

[Chev of Hardass]

What about guild members? When should one think about applying or looking for a guild?

I've got started with my R/me a week ago and have raised him to lvl 13.

I read under DarkWasp's post that a trait of 'bad-guilds' are public advertisements for members. That logically seems like just a ploy to garner members for the guild and not a fine filter for integrity and proactive guild-member material.

So how should someone such as I, weathered from soloing so much, attract the attention of a good guild? For on the player side, it isn't too seemly to be scavenging for a 'guild that helps its players all the time,' or, 'is a great community.'

Since such groupings would be cliques in themselves of a sort, right?

There are good guilds for whatever you do, PvE or PvP. The best way to find a good guild is to search them out, or end up playing with them and having a really good time.

If you are into PvP, the Tombs is a great place to meet people, PvE is much larger, so people are not so easy to find.

Personally, this late in the games existance, I would wait till you have ascended one or more characters before getting into a guild. At release some guilds went through the game together and that was way cool, but since people are at varying levels of play now, that is much harder to do.

[pi!!ow]

Thanks for the advice,

Guess I should print out Dralspire's PUG-survival guide then lol.

[LiQuId StEeL]

ToA is the best place (from what I can tell) to find decent PvE guilds. There is usually a few groups forming up for UW/FoW trying to fill spots. It's always easier to get in if you know 5+ people rather than one.

PvP is more based on experience, and just getting into groups.

(notice, I never say look for guilds in PUG's... hint hint from my time)

[Divinus Stella]

I've been in a few guilds before, the thing that matters to me most is the people in the guild, if you can find a guild thats not full of hyperactive kids then your onto a winner.
I think my fav guild was BoR, all the best people from that i still play GW with daily, my current guild is great aswel, still getting to know the members but awesome so far.

Worst guilds have both been PVP, both run by kids who think they can gain ranks by abusing people and being bossy, my advice for someone wanting to join a pvp guild would be to join a pve guild that you know and that plays pvp, that way you get a guild with decent members.

[Kyle]

My guild that im in is perfect. Because i play counterstrike with 98% of the people. And like 2 or 3 got invited bcuz they did stuff for people like ran them to droks free and things like that. And everybody is an officer. bcuz its not nice to make people lesser than another person. We just a bunch of weird people that farm i think more than play. Do some pvp. We the heavy PvE farm and light PvP tombs or CA

[pi!!ow]

(notice, I never say look for guilds in PUG's... hint hint from my time)

I printed out the pug survival guide since I was going to focus on ascension before guild-seeking.

Soloing gets old after a while.

[Sekkira]

Best way to find a good PvP guild

1. Join XoO, they'll get you trained up.
2. Get in on some PuG GvG's from the top players in PvP.
3. ?????
4. Profit.

[Lews]

Best way to find a good PvP guild

1. Join XoO, they'll get you trained up.
2. Get in on some PuG GvG's from the top players in PvP.
3. ?????
4. Profit.

Hmm... I'm really gonna have to say no.

[Sekkira]

Okay Mr. Tombs Guild.

[Chev of Hardass]

One of the coolest groups I have spent any time with in the tombs started as a random invite. We went in with four hench and beat someone. Then they were like, ok let's start a real group then. THey invited me on vent and we spent several Sunday mornings together.

Sometimes looking for the perfect group is important, but don't forget to have fun with it.

[counciler132]

If you need 5k for your Grotto armor, someone GIVES it to you.

I once gave 60k for Droks armor to a guildie. Sufficient to say he was definatly happy.

[Hockster]

another example of a bad guild imo is a guild who asks you to submit a essay/application form on why u should be chosen to join <<wtf a game is for fun not for lifeThat's to keep people like you out.

[Kook~NBK~]

Bad Guild: one with "cool capes", tolerates phrases like "stfu" to to anyone, says "pwned" instead of "gga" after winning a PvP battle, charges fees for membership, or won't help out with missions, quests, builds, etc. Any scammers in the guild - they'll be scamming you next.

Good Guild: Goofs off on TS, and not just when in-game. Has mature players (especially officers) who help each other out without carrying anyone, has more in common than just a game, runs lower level characters to LA so they won't miss out on events like Halloween or Winterfest, promotes good sportsmanship and knows the value of getting creative when doing things. (~NBK~ : originators of the "Nekkid cut scene"!) And screens people before admitting them to the guild by questing with them, and chatting with them on TS to get to know them.

[Miss Temptress]

i lurves mai current guild!


<333Slash AFK<333

forevar!

best guild evar ^^

[Xenrath]

Actually I'd debate that first post. It's arguable you're doing nobody any favours by playing the game for them, especially the case for new members/new players. Not only do they progress into the game without really understanding how to play at all, but it also encourages dependancy i.e. people constantly asking for something/handouts... no problem with those who've played the game a bit and have some experience, but I personally don't think it's a good idea to be doing everything for newcomers (how will they ever learn anything?)

[Makkert]

What about guild members? When should one think about applying or looking for a guild?

I've got started with my R/me a week ago and have raised him to lvl 13.

I read under DarkWasp's post that a trait of 'bad-guilds' are public advertisements for members. That logically seems like just a ploy to garner members for the guild and not a fine filter for integrity and proactive guild-member material.

So how should someone such as I, weathered from soloing so much, attract the attention of a good guild? For on the player side, it isn't too seemly to be scavenging for a 'guild that helps its players all the time,' or, 'is a great community.'

Since such groupings would be cliques in themselves of a sort, right?
1) if you happen to be with a pug with a guildmember, contact is easily established.
2) if not, established guilds that are taking new players usually have a forum for applicants. you can fill in an application, and they will consider wether or not you are a good addition to their guild.

~ Makk.

[Effendi Westland]

And how do you find a guild?

Do you randomly accept the recruiting advertisements throughout Tyria or is there a better way of finding what you're looking for?

I've never accepted random recruits, but I've been in a few guilds.

The first one I was invited to by a player I knew from another guild, although we chatted alot in that guild, the good guild experience only lasted a week. After that is was usually just me and another mate online, so we started thinking about leaving it and joining another.

I then had to do thirsty with my warrior and ended up in a group with 3 people all from the same guild, we rocked that mission. I could see that they understood the game and they clearly had the same opinion about me, because they asked me to join their guild. I first checked if it wasn't an empty one by saking how active everybody was, that seemed good and I joined. Was a great guild, lots of helpful members.

When I came back online after 3 months of not playing (GTA SA syndrome), that guild was as good as empty and another mate I knew in real life asked us to join his guild. That was not a good guild. It had a leader who was only online for 30 mins a day, for GvG only. When we joined for GvG we quickly had it with the guild, the leader was actually the impatient one when we all wanted to sort a strategy.

So already knowing that I was gonna leave that guild I started looking around, posted on the looking for a guild forum and kept an open mind. I got a few responses from that forum, but mostly from american based guilds, and that doesn't work, I play in europe. However I was tombing one day and ended up in an all guild party who needed a mesmer :eek: , we played for a bit, won a few, and after it they asked me if I wanted to join their guild.

Now I'm in this guild and it suits me fine, got 5 others from my old one to join me (the leader of the old guild was aparently upset at 2 people leaving and kicked each and everyone from the guild :confused: ). This new guild seems quite nice, but you never know until you've been in it a few weeks. But the members are patient with new players even when it comes to pvp and has a no random recruit policy, which I always think is a good thing.

Hope my story was informative!

[Star Gazer]

In my current Guild, I am pretty much the 'recruiting' officer. What we look for is nice and friendly people, as mean an hostile people ruin the gaming experience for everyone. I will randomly (already completed the mission) go to missions and ask LFG to complete such and such. Not only do I get to help people out, but I also get to see if there is a potential candidate. I am sure I'm not the only one to recruit this way, so the word of advice to the ones that are looking for Guilds: BE FRIENDLY in missions. Experience should not be a factor, as skills can be taught...attitude cannot. Good luck to those looking for a Guild :D

[fiery]

i was thinking of joining POKE... heh their forum actually has seizures in their name ^^ wegiveyouseizures i belive or something like that

[WasAGuest]

If only I could find a guild like one the OP talked about. lol
I've been in one so far, and my first hour there I was told by the leader to respec my character or start over again. This was after I grouped with several members previously. They were all fun and seemed mature before that.
Not wanted to do much or anything with PvP, I'm finding it very hard to find a good guild to join and finding PuGs for Ascension is getting more and more difficult to do.
So I guess, I can only add to the Bad Guilds experience thus far.:(

[Pinna]

another example of a bad guild imo is a guild who asks you to submit a essay/application form on why u should be chosen to join <<wtf a game is for fun not for life

Eh? How do you figure this one out? The essay is perhaps a little overboard but an application form certainly isn't.

How long does it take to fill out an application form? 10-20 minutes max. I'd say, and if that 20 minutes ensures that you get into a good guild then it could be a very well invested 20 minutes.

My guild has an application form and review process, whereby all prospects are required to fill out a very simple questionaire asking about play style, how they heard about us, etc. and then they have a 30 day probation period. During the 30 days they have full guild priveledges and they are treated as an equal. The 30 days allows the prospect and the current members to get to know each other and play together, it also gives us an idea of your activity level and how dedicated to being in our guild you are. At the end of 30 days every guild member has a chance to vote the prospect in or out. More often than not, as long as nobody says no then you'd be in.

We've had tons of applicants who were all, "OMG 30 dayz is 2 lng lol, fuk dis im lveain". This just proves that our system does work, we don't want players like that. We want mature, fun, dedicated players and the application process helps us to weed out the good from the bad.

*awaits the "OMG ELITISTS NUBS GGKTHX" replies*

[led-zep]

a great guild is the order of melchizedek (MKB) a fun guild who have very helpful people that never judge a build and are always chatting in guild chat to each other :D and they pretty much do all the things posted as making a good guild

[moriz]

signs of a good guild:
-when the leader offers to help you complete a quest, and says "no problem" and "no biggie" when you suddenly realized that you've been running in the opposite direction for 30 minutes!

-when your guildmates tell you that 2k gold is a low asking price for selling a black dye.

[Rhuobhe]

You know you're in a good guild when...

One of your guild officers buys a second account JUST to implement a guild storage while we wait for the developers to get thier act's together :P

[Gorla]

I can tell that MKB is a good guild, however i just met one member of it, but he tells about themselves and what they do (watched all videos). I said one word: crazy :D (of course in good way)

My guild is good in my opinion, i know the members from betas and after release, since then just few joined us, but we know them too.
We have good time of course within limits.
The guild focus on pvp, but i mostly pve since im not playing gvg and people are suprised why im in a pvp guild, perhaps they understand now.

So, the conclusion: if you know your guild's members, that is a good guild.

[Ayres_Spellbinder]

My guild is a simple guild. We are a group of guys who have been gaming together for almost 5 years. Not all are into GW, but some of us are and work together and help each other out. Even when we don't have a lot of active players on GW, I'd never switch to another guild.

[koneko]

... when your guildmates refuse money.
I was basically forced to leave my previous guild as a direct result of being too nice to the guildies (free runs, helping with misisons, etc. and refusing to take payment, ever, which lead to some serious issues between the "unofficial" leader of the guild and myself). They thought I was being "disrespectful" by refusing to take anything.

Asshats.

[Inureface]

My guild is a little inactive (pvp-wise) but very friendly ^_^. The officer who dragged me from the magical realm of presearing into the endbringers when I was 18 minutes old left a month ago because we didn't do enough PvP =(. I don't think he was a bad officer and I understand how he was bored. Either way I guess I can consider myself VERY lucky to be in an awesome, if a little boring, guild.

[BBoy_Manchild]

i miss the [SYNDICATE] :( they never made the jump over to GW with me, but i bet they are still owning betas

[KiyaKoreena]

We consider our guild to be a good one, part of that because its small and restarting right now. Most of the officers and a few members from the old one left to start this new one to get away from a few bad apples. We don't spam recruit (If you are in a quest or mission PUG one of us is in, and are very polite/helpful we may ask if you want to join.) Not every member that joins stays with us because we are mainly PvE which turns some people off and we wont hand you everything on a platter, but most help where they can. We take the time to help new members get running with our Vent server and people happily chat and goof off. People will get booted for inactivity (ie after a month or two of not logging on) unless someone knows why they are gone. I guess it helps that people tend to join in pairs. :-) We help eachother with price checks or finding items. Plus members that play WoW too will switch games to come help with missions most of the time. Now there are nice people!

[Fatty Fatty Boomballati]

I like my guild mainly because there are no cliques, When we were doing GvG ranger spike the leader just did a textual nose-gos and the first four got to be spikers. On the first team, we had like 3.

[shevaa]

A good Guild would be the one I'm in now. My husband had gotten further in the game then me and then came back to take me up to yaks with him. One day we decided to go back and do the missions I had skipped over. Sitting in town LFG found two great guys we did a couple of the missions with. We added them to our friends list and hung out doing quests and missions with one of them regularly and then with his wife as well when she got her account. Always had fun together...it usually doesn't matter what were doing we all just have fun. Even at a 60% dp and dying every 30 seconds were all still laughing and joking. When we left our old guild and joined theres we found out all the people are that way. Its lots of fun.

Bad guild -

our old one. We were in the middle of and fow run with some friends and one of our guild leaders says they want to gvg. we told them well were in the middle of fow maybe when we finish (im not big on pvp but was willing to go to fill the spot and help out the rest of the guild). So he says in guild chat to everyone one "well this sucks we made you two officers because we thought you were going to support the guild but when we need you most your too busy farming for gold to help us...you guys suck" our response was "well if we suck then bye" (and left guild asked above mentioned friends if the offer to join thier guild was still good will a "h*ll yes respnse and instant invites). then in whispers old guild leader starts telling me he was only kidding and please come back. when I don't respond beacuse some random person we picked up was nice enough to take the quest at the begining and we were all fighting to keep the ghost alive he tells me "your bing a b*tch by not answering why cant you just respond."

glad i left that...the guild were in now is great they are awsome. Friendly active always willing to help people. We had one member fairly new was obssessed with getting poison arrows for thier ranger...so a few of our members stopped what they were doing and helped get me and the other person to the poison arrows (i had just started a ranger as well and they figured they were helping one person why not make it two).

[master_ranger_matt]

mine has the best gvgs ive ever had in a guild. two nights ago we were pushed back into the guild lord area with 60 dp, and only 2 were alive. the flag runner managed to get the flag out, and we all rezzed and pushed them back. we eventually pushed them to 60 dp, and we had 10 morale, and then victory or death was called. we owned the bodyguards, and then the guild lord, ending it.

[Whiplashr]

When everytime you log on, you're the only guildie online.

(Seriously, I think it's time I find another guild!)

Hah, I know this feeling all too well.. I joined a guild in November, about a month after I bought the game. At first everyone was around fairly often.. but last time I played (yesterday) all my guild mates hadn't been online for something like 3 weeks (lowest) to over a month! (highest).

But hey, we have such a cool cape! At least I have that going for me :)

[Mavrik]

You know your in a good guild when

They offer advice on beating your double.

They schedule certain days for certain events like Fridays for running people from where ever they might be in ascalon or kryta to the desert and all the ascending missions.

When they schedule a day for power leveling or farming as a group.

When they give you money to pay the runner at Elona so you can hurry your ass up and ascend lol

When we all trash talk the wifes in a friendly mannor, wishing our wifes were as cool as those of the guys who joined GW. :D My wife just won't play damn it!

When someone logs on and says "Heya" everyone responds with "Hey, sup?" or something along that line.

When a guildmate gives you 4 green mesmer items for you new mesmer because your a guildie, your a mesmer and he claims mesmer greens don't sell well. Fine by me!

When someone gets to Droknar and sees the prices of armor, we all help out pay materials or gold were we can.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Now Your in a Bad guild when...

After a month your the only one on and the officer finally shows up to say "sorry... guild is closed... bye!

When fellow guild members whisper you "hey... leave the guild with me, got a cool invite to *names another guild* and gets mad when you refuse. Your loyal to a guild until it pisses you off.

[JiggyFly]

Good Guild:
-Common interests
-Able to joke around, but still be organized enough to accomplish things
-Playing together and having fun doing it

Bad Guild
-No sense of connection between members
-Excessive cursing/Negative personalities
-"Nubs r not aloud iN teh giuld"

[Valdaran Longfoot]

Good guild-
Its online


Bad guild-
Your the only online

[hilkos]

I am in a very good guild. To me that means the people are online often, always enough to form a full party. We all help others on missions but nobody is being run anywhere unless there is a reason other then rushing through the game. Almost daily i am in a group to do anything with other guildmembers and every saterday we have a guildevent that is announced 6 days upfront. Last saterday we had a "guildhunt" (farming in SF and FOW). The saterday before we did PvP in tombs and next saterday will be a guild Hell's adventure because some people in our guild have trouble finding good groups for those missions.
All people are very friendly and the best is what you need to do to become an officer: You have to be in the guild for at least two months and prove you are helpfull and mature. If you often help people on missions, you give ideas for saterday events and you show you are a mature player, you can become an officer.
All members in the guild know eachother by their real names.

[AlienFromBeyond]

Good Guild:
-Common interests
-Able to joke around, but still be organized enough to accomplish things
-Playing together and having fun doing it

Bad Guild
-No sense of connection between members
-Excessive cursing/Negative personalities
-"Nubs r not aloud iN teh giuld"
Pretty much sums it up for me. Just recently joined a new guild as my previous one has been dead for a while. They're all pretty nice, and joke around a lot, but once we get GvGing, we harden up and own on the opposition. Great fun that.

[Hell Guild Huntress]

I'm a guild leader and I think our guild is pretty good with the exception of some new members that don't happen to work out because they start abusing other members...or sexual harassing them...I take a vote with whose online and that's usually 60% of them and do as the vote is in favor of.

Mostly ppl are on everyday and we just started building for PVP so either we go in for fun or take the really experience players into tombs to fight. I must say though it isn't easy being an officer or guild leader sometimes you wanna help everyone who needs it and you have to constantly have money available for new deserving members who'd like to buy armor and/or new weapons, if you don't have it on hand...so between farming, assisting, dealing with a situation, selling items, GVG, PVP, running, missons and power leveling, recruiting there is a lot on the plate - so just trying to say keeping a guild together where everyone is happy and won't leave is hard. We've got 44 members and 34 are on everyday so i'm happy this guild is active.

Want to know when ur in a bad guild like i was before:
*Everyone ignores u
*There is constant swearing going on
*Ur leader is never on
*U ask for advice and get none
*The person who recruited u won't help u at all

[pegasux]

-Good Guild-
No profane language
A guild that is mature
One where the guild is active daily
One that will help any guildie when asked :)
No pecking order
One that isn't concerned about rankings and riches
One that will freely offer new players resources if they are in a bind
The guild I am currently in :)

-Bad Guild-
Immature members
Swearing
Overly concerned with guild ranking and gold
Cliques
One that won't help out
Where nobody is ever online

[4runner]

You Know when They do this!!!!!

1.runs 3 low lvls to every town in ascalon then to yaks, then to beacons. every other day!

2.Hires a pro-runner to droks for 5 low lvls, pay 15k for the run then gives everyone 25k to get there armor and runes.

3.hires pro-runner in the desert, so low lvls can get all 7 stops to ascend pays 3k per head.

4.every day there is a list of activities currently going on, for guildies missions,runs,farming, etc.etc.etc.

5.When the officers give out uber weapons to guildies and dont ask for nothing(just dont sell it, if u need gold come back ill give you some)

6.When you say Hello in Guild chat all but the most busy reply back!!!

7.When you have 9 females in the guild ages 18-36, now thats a good sign!!!!!!.

8.We dont sell to Guildies, Trading ok!!

9.When theres at least 10 pepole on a day everyday,24 hours aday.

10.When you have members from 5 different continents!

11. When you have 2 level 14 monk/ele's in pre-searing

12. When they offer a free access to a Gw account, for beginners!

13. WHen once a year every year on April,20th the Guild gets together for a party!! For those who can attend.(weve been doing this for 6 years straight)not only for GW!

14. when they have a Website and forums!!


Well Welcome to CDXX(the420th.com)

This bong RIps 4 U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ysa Noba]

You know you're in a good guild if you are the leader and declare it a monarchy... then people start bowing down to you and calling you "Your Highness." :p

.... you threaten the use of Unyielding Aura and you start getting taunted into emote wars.

And we're all just laughing in front of our respective computers.

Hmm... all in all I have to say the #1 sign of a good guild is lots of laughter.

Hehehe after reading this i have the idea im doing a fine job :D sinds that bowing and 'yes master' things are realy happening :)

[Zeru]

When your guild is going to Taipei having earned 10k at the very least.

[Ysa Noba]

sounds good runner!

so ill throw in an other question. Im in a small guild with around 25 members. im the leader but thats just the title i have :) the guild is ours. We miss each other online and just never have enough online for some gvg. We have alot of fun and have a good time. you guys have a good idea on getting some more members. Sinds recruting is not working in our oppinion begining players are likely to jump from guild to guild.
Im thinking on a merge with a guild with the same problem! so.... (ahum) are u in a guild with the same problem... contact me and we can have a chat ;)

any ways the guild makes guildwars :)

[Tijger]

When your guild is going to Taipei having earned 10k at the very least.

Nah, thats a guild with good PvP players, doesnt make it a good guild in general or for everyone.

A good guild is a place where everyone is treated with respect, people get help when they need it and bad behaviour isnt tolerated.

[PaulOtt]

Nah, thats a guild with good PvP players, doesnt make it a good guild in general or for everyone.

A good guild is a place where everyone is treated with respect, people get help when they need it and bad behaviour isnt tolerated.
Good is subjective. I happen to agree more with Zeru's definition than your own. When someone asks me if a guild is any good or not, I usually think in terms of GvG PvP. Having said that, I think there are some good guilds that aren't going to Taiwan, such as Uni and ZPZG.

[Aria]

I agree with Paul (as always ;)). Besides, arguing that the definition of a "good guild" revolves on respect, helpfulness and politeness, while at the same time excluding other definitions of "good" (PvP skill, ability to get things done in a quick, efficient manner, etc) directly contradicts your first statement that one aspect doesn't make a guild good "for everyone." In other words, subjectivity!

Also, what's to say that the guild going to Taipei doesn't already meet those conditions of respect, mutual support and even a basic grasp of common manners? Teamwork is teamwork, and well, it's a bit hard to communicate when emotions are raging, grudges are rising, and members are rage quitting left and right. ;)

Of course, Trexton and Kriegar are exceptions to the "respect" rule.

[bumbledust]

The best way to get into a guild is go active, and play whatever type of GW you like (PvE, PvP), and get to be e-friends with a few people in the guild.

I completely agree. Our guild is set up with the idea that as long as you're active, friendly, and willing to become friends with your fellow guildmates (this means, egads, chatting on guild chat or over TS with them sometimes), you can play the game any friggin' way you want, lol. Too much PvP is bad. Too much PvE is bad. Gaile has already stated that the game isn't about one part or the other, but about the experience as a whole. When you have a large, mature mix of active, friendly members who each like doing their own thing (and are supported by the guild to do so), there's a good chance that you're going to end up with a very happy guild full of friendships. And that's the point of being in a guild in the first place.

Or, as my guild's mission statement puts it: "Pax Morte is a mix PvP/PvE guild whose primary purpose is to serve as the home for active, social, mature players with a good sense of humor. It is a guild built with the hope that all members will feel fairly treated and free to decide how they like to play the game. While we appreciate a high rank and rating, GvG is not our primary purpose. It is simply another facet of the game that we enjoy when enough people desire to participate. Our central focus lies not in one type of player or aspect of the game, but rather in making all aspects of the game as enjoyable as possible for as many as possible, thus creating a stable, fun social setting where friendships and fond memories can be made."

[obastable]

A good Guild is one where you feel more like a member of a family than just a bunch of moderately aquainted strangers.

A lot of the members in the Guild I'm in have been gaming together for many years, and we try to get together at least once a year. Regardless of what game we play, new members are always welcomed and quickly become a part of our family.

Over the course of almost a decade of existence, only 2 people have been kicked from the clan, and only 1 of those people was exclusively a GW player.

In my opinion, a good Guild is one that doesn't randomly recruit people, but rather has a set of criteria that must be met first before someone is considered, an interview second, and last but not least - a general agreement between ALL members that the potential recruit will be a good addition to the family.

That's the way we've been doing it for 10 years, and considering less than a handful of people have ever actually left the clan I would say it works quite well.

[Papi Chulo]

My name is papi Chulo
and i am good ;)

[SPower]

I had a guild once that had this trange habit of demanding attention whenever an officer came online. Its great to chat when you ge thte chance, but if you are int he middle of a PvE mission and can't afford the time to chat aimlessly to other members, there's no reason to get arssy about it.

I'm happy to say that I'm in a great guild now, which is fairly new but with experienced players. it's alos good that they, like me, have been mostly into PvE and are just exploring GvG etc. so we can learn together.