Random R/W Today

[Slade xTekno]

I made a R/W for PvPX today, and holy crap, it worked well. Even w/o an Elite, it could take down a soft target faster than most warriors I have come up against [I PvP a monk often]. It goes the following

Expertise 10 + 3 + 1 Hat
Axe Mastery 12
Tactics 8
Beast Mastery 2 + 1

Tiger's Fury
Swift Chop
Cyclone Axe
EDIT: Penetrating Blow [formerly Power Attack]
Wild Blow
Throw Dirt
Utility Slot [I use Antidote Signet]
Rez Sig

I was using a Sundering Axe of Defense. As backup, I used a Zealous Axe of Defense.

It's not a very difficult build to use; simply spam Swift Chop, Cyclone Axe, and Power Attack at 2e each. It's not much bonus damage, but they all have very short and identical cooldowns. Plus, since an axe's swing speed is 1.33 seconds, you can spam them continually.
TF is used after you Throw Dirt. It will create a gap in the chain of attack skills, but the damage output and potential crits are worth it.
Why Wild Blow? In the Arenas, especially the Random ones, is a growing trend of Mo/W using Bonetti's.

Any feedback would be appreciated. I'm pretty sure most of you could probably build this and try it for yourself.

[Shusky]

Ah, always good to see an R/W around. My primary PvE/PvP character is a R/W... yep, I finished the game without having cast a single spell :D

In the arenas, you will generally find yourself creaming every spellcaster on your way. Throw dirt can really do funny things with warriors. I've never actually gone melee, so I can't help you much with the attacks, but axe-wielding R/Ws are generally great at spamming chop-chops.

I would ditch antidote signet for a self-heal, however (preferably the immortal TU), or one of Ranger's defensive stances. I never found antidote much useful, since you generally get ignored as a ranger :p

You may also try to combine Cyclone Axe with Apply Poison. Cools down enemy melee players' enthusiasm wonderfully.

[Eonwe]

I think I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.

[Nash]

R/W.
With Power Attack.
And no Elite.
Best build ever.

[Cerra.nova]

Personally the only R/W I would use is one with a Hammer - Err well it isnt that great but meh... If you're gonna use axes why not be a Warrior primary?

[Lt.Crumpet]

i guess ill try this build out. it seems that r/w r hit or miss. bably miss. this looks like one that could go far tho

[Eet GnomeSmasher]

I think I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.

Please do.

[Slade xTekno]

Shusky: I don't have any more room in the build to incorporate another Attribute, or TU would be at the top of the list. Since it has no Elite, Cyclone Axe + Apply Poison + ViM might work.

Eonwe: Um, thanks for the spam?

Nash: Have you every played an R/W? Try this build out and see how fast a caster falls. It'll be easy because there isn't an Elite, but you could replace Antidote Signet w/ Gladiator's Defense if you'd like.
Why not Power Attack? I can use Power attack twice at +10 in the time it takes to use Pure Strike once at +24. If you've ever played a R/W, you'd know you make up most of the energy you used in the span of the attack, so that's no problem.
I can see that you've been here a while, but I hope your posts thus far were of better quality than that one. :O

Please post constructive criticism, although I will attempt to reason with anything else.

[pagansaint]

You have ZERO strength. So how is Power Attack doing any good? Do you mean Penetrating Blow?

Also dropping 1 out of expertise and filling more points into Beast Mastery would be HIGHLY more effective considering Expertise works best at even numbers due to the way the game rounds.

That and I agree with the others that a R/W Axe is kind of a waste. Mostly Adrenaline skills negates the point of a Ranger primary, Expertise.

Most R/W tend to go with sword (or Hammer for IB) to get the full effect from Expertise and Energy use attacks.

EDIT: the idea of power attack being used twice isn't bad, but with that many points into axe using Penetrating Blow would be a MUCH better use of a slot considering you are using 2/3 Energy based attacks AND Tiger's Fury, gaining you the adrenaline to spam this a good bit.

[ICURADik]

Penetrating is good for a R/W using axe's. It's weaker with a Warrior primary because the penetration doesn't stack with strength.

Maybe consider Eviscerate as some kind of elite... Take casters from 35% to 0 instantly.

[Slade xTekno]

pagansaint: I actually meant Power Attack to stick w/ the Energy theme. I could argue that using Power Attack twice gives you an extra chance of setting off a 20/+1 Axe, but that's absurd; to be honest, I couldn't think of anything else to use. Penetrating blow is a decent idea, though. That, or Cleave lol.
I found that spamming the three skills at 2e each results in a net loss of two energy every four seconds [6e over 4 sec, 1/2e lost per sec], not including TF. Replacing Power Attack with an adrenal skill will result in no loss of energy, allowing you to keep your Zealous axe sheathed for longer.

Could you post a R/W hammer build? I honestly can't imagine it.

EDIT: Wow, Penetrating Blow works much better than I expected. Cyclone Axe normally catches more than one target, so I find that I can use PB more often then I could use Power Attack.

[pagansaint]

My R/W Hammer:

12 Hammer
11+1+2 Expertise
6+2 Wilderness

Serpent's Quickness
Irresistable Blow
Devestating Hammer{E}
Mighty Blow
Heavy Blow
Crushing Blow
Wild Blow/Storm Chaser/Troll's/Antidote
Troll's/Antidote/Res Signet


Using a +15% if in a Stance Zealous PvP Hammer of Fortitude.

[Neo-LD]

I think I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.

My sentiments exactly.

[Legendary Battousai]

I think I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.
i second the motion.... why is everyone quoting you?

[Eonwe]

Probably because I'm awesome.

[Nash]

I can see that you've been here a while, but I hope your posts thus far were of better quality than that one. :OThe reason I and many others post posts like that, is that we've seen stuff like this so many times over, refuted it, have had people ignore our input and stick to their stupid builds, etc. Frankly, we're getting tired of posting the same things over and over, just to have people decide they know better anyway (which they don't).

OK, you want constructive?

Warrior primary is better.
16 in your weapon attribute, and some Strength owns using Expertise. Not enough energy? Adrenaline. It's there for a reason, so is Zealous haft.

This build is better:

16 Axe
9 Strength
10 Smiting

Frenzy
Penetrating Blow
Eviscerate
Executioner's Strike
Disrupting Chop
Sprint
Strength of Honor
Res Signet

[BBoy_Manchild]

i use a ranger/warrior for pvp this is my build

eviscerate
axe rake
whirling defense
lightening reflexes
throw dirt
apply poison
troll unguent
res sig

10 axe
9 tact
10 expertise +3 superior +1 mask
7 wilderness survival +1 minor

10/10 sundering pvp axe of +5 defense
poisoners pvp axe of +5 defense

[Nash]

Again an example of how people don't know how to make a good build.
If your logic fails, there's atleast a bunch of threads containing help. Instead, people make some random build and go post it and claim it's good because they can win in arena.

[Eet GnomeSmasher]

Hoorah, lots of angry ticked off gaming nerds getting upset over "less than uber" builds.

[Thanato]

Could you post a R/W hammer build? I honestly can't imagine it.



cant remember my attributes but here's the skills
-Crushing blow
-Tiger's Fury
-Heavy Blow
-Devastating Hammer
-Iressistable Blow
-Res Sig
-Troll Unguent
-Antidote Sig

charge up that adrenal, and let loose tiger's fury -> dev. hammer -> crushing blow -> heavy blow -> irresistable blow.

and if they arent dead by then, just keep wailin away. antidote sig to get rid of those evil disease/poison and blindness -.-
iress. for those annoying stances

works pretty well, just chased a hammer warrior away with this not an hour ago lol

[Nash]

Hoorah, lots of angry ticked off gaming nerds getting upset over "less than uber" builds.This forum is for discussing what's good and what's not, not pat each other on the back in every thread, in some sort of club for mutual admiration. If you have a problem with people criticizing "less than uber" builds, then I suggest you stay away from the Build discussion forum. Thank you for your useless post, now troll elsewhere.

[Eet GnomeSmasher]

This forum is for discussing what's good and what's not, not pat each other on the back in every thread, in some sort of club for mutual admiration. If you have a problem with people criticizing "less than uber" builds, then I suggest you stay away from the Build discussion forum. Thank you for your useless post, now troll elsewhere.

Exactly. I saw nothing but useless posts in here doing nothing but putting people down. If you didnt like the build, you didnt have to post. Feedback is fine, but coming in here with your superiour snotty attitude is pointless.

Try again.

[Slade xTekno]

Wow. I come back from hanging out with friends to find my thread has doubled in size. Unfortunately, half of it is simply elitist fluff. :rolleyes:

Probably because I'm elitist.Fixed.
The reason I and many others post posts like that, is that we've seen stuff like this so many times over, refuted it, have had people ignore our input and stick to their stupid builds, etc. Frankly, we're getting tired of posting the same things over and over, just to have people decide they know better anyway (which they don't).

OK, you want constructive?

Warrior primary is better.
16 in your weapon attribute, and some Strength owns using Expertise. Not enough energy? Adrenaline. It's there for a reason, so is Zealous haft.

This build is better:

16 Axe
9 Strength
10 Smiting

Frenzy
Penetrating Blow
Eviscerate
Executioner's Strike
Disrupting Chop
Sprint
Strength of Honor
Res SignetYou are so blinded by your elitism and so quick to judge that you have the nerve to think that I am looking for the "best" build. I said it "worked well," which has two letter in common with "best." If you have not noticed, I have responded to useful input others have made and have even made adjustments to my initial build.
Just because it isn't the best makes it stupid? :confused: Fragility/Virulence, E/W Earthshaker/Aftershock, E/Mo healer, R/Me IW, and Pure Mesmer UW Solo Farmer are far from the best builds, but they work and are a refreshing break from the cookie cutter builds currently out there [an example of which you ever-so-graciously posted]. I apologize for the fact that I'm playing to have fun instead of to win the Hall of Heroes. Some of us like to experiment and stray off the beaten path; we don't like to feel like herded sheep. ;)
I regret to say that I have not unlocked a majority of the skills. I apologize for the fact that I am trying to play with what I have instead of mindlessly farming.
i use a ranger/warrior for pvp this is my build

eviscerate
axe rake
whirling defense
lightening reflexes
throw dirt
apply poison
troll unguent
res sig

10 axe
9 tact
10 expertise +3 superior +1 mask
7 wilderness survival +1 minor

10/10 sundering pvp axe of +5 defense
poisoners pvp axe of +5 defenseVery cool. You used the Ranger primary for the Expertise line of skills more than the energy reduction of Expertise. I'll try it sometime.
Again an example of how people don't know how to make a good build.
If your logic fails, there's atleast a bunch of threads containing help. Instead, people make some random build and go post it and claim it's good because they can win in arena.Aw, there you go again about not best = stupid. I'll be perfectly honest and tell you that I played the Ice Cave Ressurection Shrine map for the first time today when I won 14 rounds in a row with my team.
Maybe I'll intentionally keep my skills unlocked, for I fear the game will lose it's fun once I get them all.
Hoorah, lots of angry ticked off gaming nerds getting upset over "less than uber" builds.You tell them. I'm sorry that I have a life, complete with a girlfriend, a job, and school. ;)

EDIT: Oh damn, more replies. =O

[Nash]

If you don't care about the best, then don't bother with this forum. I'm done with this thread, discussing scrub stuff is a waste of time.

[Yen-lo-wang]

Again an example of how people don't know how to make a good build.
If your logic fails, there's atleast a bunch of threads containing help. Instead, people make some random build and go post it and claim it's good because they can win in arena.

But since they can win in arena with it, doesn't that at least make it useful? Not everyone does Tombs/HoH, you know. I've only been in there a couple of times myself (well, I'm not a big PvPer period, but the point stands). Seriously, just because they can't make "1337" builds like you doesn't mean they're some moron, like you've been implying this entire thread. Maybe it's just a build they had fun with, and wanted to share it. Is that so bad?

[Slade xTekno]

Note to Nash: As anonymous as you are online, leaving before a fight is over is still considered as admitting defeat.
But since they can win in arena with it, doesn't that at least make it useful? Not everyone does Tombs/HoH, you know. I've only been in there a couple of times myself (well, I'm not a big PvPer period, but the point stands). Seriously, just because they can't make "1337" builds like you doesn't mean they're some moron, like you've been implying this entire thread. Maybe it's just a build they had fun with, and wanted to share it. Is that so bad?Thank you. Have you tried R/W? It's different, but you seem to be the type that would try it.

[Yen-lo-wang]

Rangers haven't really been a class I can play that well in GW so far... mostly I'm a Monk and Mesmer kind of guy. It does sound intriguing though, and could be played with a lot and still be effective... may have to give it a shot.

[Slade xTekno]

Agreed; I'm the same as you. Keep it in mind, though.

[Yen-lo-wang]

One not-so-minor issue is that I think I have all of twelve Ranger skills unlocked, so making any kind of a ranger-related build will be tricky... but again, I will most certainly keep a build like this in mind, since I do intend on improving on my Ranger skills (or the lack thereof :p)

[neoflame]

leaving before a fight is over is still considered as admitting defeat.
Oh noes, e-fight for e-reputation!

Warrior primary is important for axes, because axes mean damage. Your (OP's) build is bad, because it is no more effective than a Warrior primary, and you're using a Sundering axe (and 8 wasted points in Tactics FTW!)

In the end, though, it boils down to Timmy/Johnny/Spike (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mr11b). You (probably Timmy/Johnny) can run axe R/W's with more showiness (10% AP, 10% of the time, guys! And all of my attacks are +something... even if it's stuff like +10, and doesn't make up for my 4 fewer attribute points and lack of Strength QQ) than effectiveness, and hate builds because they're "cookie-cutter", but don't be surprised when Spikes laugh at you.

[Eonwe]

If you don't care about the best, then don't bother with this forum. I'm done with this thread, discussing scrub stuff is a waste of time.

I'll have to agree with Nash.

[Slade xTekno]

Damn straight, neo, because emuscle is very substantial. The internet is serious business, just like MySpace lol.
BTW, the 8 Tactics was for a shield I scrounged up in PvE. That, or I could have gone shieldless and caught even more flak than I am now. >_<

You read me. I don't know of any others who played BW Death Grasp/Agenda, GW Rebel Weenie [Cho-Manno + Armadillo Cloak = lol], or $6 Sligh [10 commons for $1]. Maybe I should get back into that... when does this cycle end?