How to kill Doppelganger - Guide to all classes

[Ogg]

Note: Some of the skills and strategies in thread have been made obsolete by npc's tendency to move out of AoEs.:o

There's been quite a lot of threads about how to kill your double during the Ascension, and most of them have been answered before. I put this small guide together for those who don't know how to search for threads which have all the info about beating double.

Necro: Bring skills which will sacrifice life. You won't be using them, but the double will. Just sit still and watch it kill itself. Also, Awaken Blood makes it sacrifice lot more life. So, bring it along, but don't use it.Still works

Monk: Life Attunement and Healing Breeze. DO NOT USE LIFE ATTUNEMENT! It cuts your damage down to fraction of what it was. Let double use it, while you are using your wand/staff to kill it. Use Healing Breeze if you need healing.Still works

Mesmer: Hexbreaker + Empathy + Backfire. Before you step on the last stone, use Hexbreaker, then cast empathy on the double. Renew Hexbreaker and cast Backfire. Then just strafe around it's arrows. Remember to take a few steps back after entering to be able to dodge the arrows better. Can be done without hexbreaker, but it does add to damage and makes the fight quicker.Still works

Ranger: Bring bar full of rituals, and just start to plink at it with your bow while it wastes time on the rituals.Works

Warrior: Just go bash it's head in. Thats the thing you're good at, right? And bring Frenzy with you, for Dopple to use. Makes it faster.No changes here

Elementalist: Meteor Shower, Firestorm, Aura of Restoration + flare. Remember to move out of AoE-spells when double casts them on you. Before stepping on that last stone, cast Aura, then MS on double, then FS. And then at your leisure just flare it to death.No longer works, as double will move out of the way.

Hope this helps some people who might be stuck against the double. Any errors, omissions, typos, mistakes in grammar.. Post on the thread, and I'll try to correct them.

[Veus Vaim]

This way worked for me and i killed them within 10 seconds.

Elementalist: Just take Meteor Shower. Your double doesnt use it and doesnt move so it will be over very quickly.

[Zuggy]

For monks: crank up smiting and bring holy wrath and retribution. Then cast them right before you activate the mesa.

[arnansnow]

For everyone: Bring long casting useless spells that you won't use, then bring one or two good damage spells, and spam those while the mirror is using the long-casting spells.
For Rangers: bring Spirits, don't bring pets, as they don't come with you.
For Mesmers: bring ethereal burden- gives you 3 seconds of no damage to you, or bring empathy and dodge his arrows.
For Elementalists: bring Meteor shower as he doesn't move, and you can dodge his shower
For Necromancers: Bring useless sacrifice spells and if you are a N/Mo bring scourge sacrifice. Insidious parisite, Malaise, Price of Failure, and Spiteful Spirit are good too.
For Warrior: I guess just go all out. Bring Frenzy, but don't use.
For Monk: If you are a monk/Necro get some sacrifice spells (don't use them) and scourge sacrifice. If something else, use the tactics of the secondary or read the posts above mine.

[Knigh7s]

Thanks, this info really helps.

Added to thread ** Guild Wars How-To And FAQs ** if you dont mind!

[Riva]

It doesn't work for one of my characters, an Elementalist/Mesmer. My doppleganger has a bow for ranged attacks, an axe for melee attacks and all spells in my spell slots! :mad:

I'm pretty mad about this because this is DEFINITELY NOT a mirror of my character.


grrrr


Riva

[arnansnow]

All the mirrors have an axe and a bow, that doesn't change.

The only thing he mirrors is your abilities.
Use Meteor storm and ethereal burden and move around so you don't get hit because of meteor storm.

[DarkWasp]

I played as a R/E, brought meteor shower, then a bunch of arrow skills, and after the meteors wore off, he was about half health, then we just went all out on eachother.

[Epinephrine]

It doesn't work for one of my characters, an Elementalist/Mesmer. My doppleganger has a bow for ranged attacks, an axe for melee attacks and all spells in my spell slots! :mad:

I'm pretty mad about this because this is DEFINITELY NOT a mirror of my character.


grrrr


Riva

Mesmers have it easy. A level 3 mesmer can beat the doppel.

Put a nice big empathy on him and dodge his arrows. Over in no time. If you want to speed it up you can drop a big area damage spell on him, just move out of it if he does it to you. Mes/Necro has even more fun, as you put empathy and insidious parasite up and enfeeble him, and just stand there. You break even roughly in life, he takes a pile every time he swings. It's laughably easy. You can add some sacrifice spells to make it faster, but it's hardly necessary, he'll happily do 40 damage to himself per swing, and with weaken and insidiou up you shouldn't really be suffering.

[AtomicNoVa]

I'm not to sure about the don't bring axe skills thing with a warrior.
When my warrior went to fight him (axe warrior), I didn't change any of my skills in my bar. I brought my axe (and axe skills) and beat him. He died. :D Infact I was kind of disappointed since this was my first time in and everyone was talking him up so much. I guess it is harder with different classes.

[arnansnow]

I'm not to sure about the don't bring axe skills thing with a warrior.
When my warrior went to fight him (axe warrior), I didn't change any of my skills in my bar. I brought my axe (and axe skills) and beat him. He died. :D Infact I was kind of disappointed since this was my first time in and everyone was talking him up so much. I guess it is harder with different classes.


The Mirror uses an axe, so if you bring axe skills he can use them. You were luckly I guess.

[psycore]

Remember to not be so adamant about retaining your skills distribution setup. Adjust where your points are needed to give you the best advantage over the doppelganger as once you beat it and receive 50,000 xp you will gain enough refund points to change back to your original setup.

ALSO, you can now go back to either of the 3 desert towns and do the change secondary class quests which on changing class automatically refund ALL your points you have in your secondary classes allowing you to swap secondary abilities around on a whim without using refund points.

[nechronius]

The Mirror uses an axe, so if you bring axe skills he can use them. You were luckly I guess.

I've said this before. For a warrior remove all skills from your skill bar. Put Frenzy on your skill bar since it's like the first skill you learn as a warrior.

One on one this is one of the worst skills to bring to a duel. As soon as the doppleganger uses it, game over.

Why? (for the 2 of you who didn't figure it out)

Frenzy allows you to attack 33% faster which translates to 50% more damage over a given Time period. However during this period you take double damage. Start the fight and do NOT use Frenzy. When the doppleganger uses it, he will start taking twice as much damage from your hits while he only does an additional 50%.

And yes, a warrior is quite capable of beating his/her mirror without modifying anything. Just go in and hack away. You still have a reasonable chance of outright doing more random damage.

[Kellogs]

I beat my W/R at level 13 by using spirits and apply poison. All my slots bar one were spirits, he dies by the time he uses apply poison.

[terrormisu]

For monks: crank up smiting and bring holy wrath and retribution. Then cast them right before you activate the mesa.

Thank you for this clue!

I had made about 20 attempts to no avail when I read this thread.

As a Hammer Smite War\Mo I brought:

Holy Strike
Hammer Bash
Counter Blow
Retribution
Bane Signet

I cast Retribution before I enterd the arena, and let my energy regen.

From then on I used the knock-downs paired with Holy Strike, something my Dioppleganger never learned to do. The extra damage HS does to a knocked-down foe made all the difference.

Thanks again!

[Veteran War Pig]

I went in with my Sword W/Mo... and i no that my mirror uses an axe, but he still used my sever artery, gash and final thrust- all of which r sword skills...

I still killed him/her/it tho :D
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[Freddeh]

For monks: crank up smiting and bring holy wrath and retribution. Then cast them right before you activate the mesa.

Thats how i did it with my Mo/Me...i set up a bunch of spells that required hits (retribution etc) and just had to do more damage to him before he could do it to me...though life attunement probably would have helped :)

Also using arcane echo with symbol of wrath (the aoe smite spell) does damage pretty quickly.

[ZD_kusanagi]

You Guys are Over Thinking it. Simplicity is the best. he's a computer. AKA stupid. So Trick him.

Monk:
Take Everything off your Skill Bar except divine boon. since it only costs 5 mana, and with divine favor attributes, you get haled for each time you cast it. But Since it's an enchantment, the computer will only use it once. that translates to free heals for you while he gets nothing. Just blast him aay with your wand. using divine boon occasionally to heal.

Elementalist:
Meteor Storm. Pure and Simple. It doesnt matter if your an air ele, or a water, or earth, you can get the refunds back fast enough. jsut switch to fire and go for meteor storm, and Immolate. and if your mesmer second class, get arcane echo, or echo. Keep him down, Burn him, and you win.

Ranger:
Take a few spirits on your bar. Infact, Take All your spirits. Like i said, he's a computer, so he's stupid.. err.. IT'S stupid.. He will try to cast the spirits while you blast him away with your arrows. Once, My friend just used disrupting shots to stop his spirit casting and he jsut tried to cast it again. but he doesn't always try to recast. So you might get lucky on that part or not. But the best bet is to jsut let him as them so you have freedom to do whaever you want. be it pound him with as many arows as possible, or set traps right on his feet.

Warrior:
This one i a bit harder than the others. since it relies on random damage spikes basically. Bring whatever you think you can do more damage to him before he can do to you. My best advice for this battle, is don't bring any healing skills or spells. Computers have very high attribute points in most of the skills you would bring, so he woul just wear you down.

Necromancer:
Blood Sacrifice. Let him basically take chunks out of his hp with spells that wont do much, while you just attack him. Just take alot of skills from the blood magic portion that makes him sacrifice his health for little things that wont help in the long run. you dont even need to change your attributes to clood magic, since the sacrifice amount would be the same anyway. Or use Spells like Price of Failure to make it go faster once he starts attacking you.

Mesmer:
In one of the above posts, somebody said to throw empathy on the guy and just dodge around his arrows. That is a very good idea. It's Simple but effective and since the computer wouldn't understand not to attack while it's on him, you win.

That's that. simple but effective ways to ascend.

[Dajmin]

As R/E I found a very safe way of taking him out (albeit a little too slow to get the bonus).

I use Earth Magic for the wards, so I loaded up Ward Against Melee and ran up beside him. Obviously he switched to the axe and of course couldn't hit me very often. I didn't have any bow preps with me that time, so could have been quicker if I'd had Ignite Arrows or Poison Arrow. Other preps may also help. No Troll Unquent though.
Of course don't take Apply Poison because that will help the doppler no matter which weapon he uses.

Soon I'm going back for the bonus :)

[Rin]

my mirror used meteor shower on me. I just used immolate and inferno. Got it in 2 tries.

[Gomezie]

1.Meteor Shower
2.Imolate
3.Inferno
4.Imolate

Think he lasted 9secs at the most! :D

[Rafe Reaper]

I don't have any of those skills, how do I get them now?

[Rafe Reaper]

I don't have those skills, How do I get them now?

[Beta Ray Bill]

I was actually surprised how easy my doppler went down. Fire eles have it easiest tho. Just nuke him/her with Meteor Shower, Fire Storm, etc and it goes down in seconds. I actually prefer Meteor (casts faster) followed by Meteor Storm.

BTW, what's the bonus on that mission? Or was there one? The cinematic came up so fast, I didn't even see the XP I got from it. So what did I miss?

[Kabale]

I was sword warrior and I beat him in about 10 seconds... so easy, and I was even using Frenzy myself (it was my first time so I just went psycho on the guy).

I think the bonus is doing it within a set amount of time? Not sure though cos I don't remember if I got it or not. But it's the only way they could possibly put a bonus in that mission, I mean all you do is step on some stones and then kill a guy...there's nowhere else to go ;)

[Yue Wan]

For my Elementalist/Mesmer (Air Magic), I used the following:

1. Aura of Restoration
2. Lightning Orb
3. Lightning Strike
4. Lightning Javelin

I cast Aura first, then hit the Doppleganger with Orb, Strike, and Javelin - interchangeably.

It took about 5-10 seconds.

[Plommon]

Well for all professions with monk (primary or secondary doesnt matter) all you need is healing breeze and a weapon! Doppelganger doesnt use healing breeze and therefore you will kill him easily :D

[Minus30]

There's been quite a lot of threads about how to kill your double during the Ascension, and most of them have been answered before. I put this small guide together for those who don't know how to search for threads which have all the info about beating double.

Necro: Bring skills which will sacrifice life. You won't be using them, but the double will. Just sit still and watch it kill itself.

Monk: Life Attunement and Healing Breeze. DO NOT USE LIFE ATTUNEMENT! It cuts your damage down to fraction of what it was. Let double use it, while you are using your wand/staff to kill it. Use Healing Breeze if you need healing.

Mesmer: Hexbreaker + Empathy + Backfire. Before you step on the last stone, use Hexbreaker, then cast empathy on the double. Renew Hexbreaker and cast Backfire. Then just strafe around it's arrows.

Ranger: Bring bar full of rituals, and just start to plink at it while it wastes time on the rituals.

Warrior: Just go bash it's head in. Thats the thing you're good at, right?

Elementalist: Meteor Shower, Firestorm, Aura of Restoration + flare. Remember to move out of AoE-spells when double casts them on you. Before stepping on that last stone, cast Aura, then MS on double, then FS. And then at your leisure just flare it to death.

Hope this helps some people who might be stuck against the double. Any errors, omissions, typos, mistakes in grammar.. Post on the thread, and I'll try to correct them.



I'm a Warrior/necro and the way i killed him was using useless skills :p
I saw he had an axe and a bow as weapon and i have a sword so i equipped all my sword skills :p
The bastard was finisched in 25 seconds :D

[cedarde]

to Nechronius,
Well thank you very much for your tip. R/W
I ended up in the Doppelgangerfight before I knew, what was happening. Got slaughtered..
So, I went to this forum, read up your tip und did as was told. :)
Just sat back and watched the show after that. Thank you very much...

Cedarde (Cedardon Melis)

[VPRiceBoi]

Is ur doppleganger supposed to be the same lvl as you? i never really payed attention to it before, but now im trying to fight it with my lvl 13 mesmer, and i noticed hes lvl20, so hes pretty hard to kill at my low lvl.

[Miss Innocent]

My E/Me took out the Mirror with Flare/Backfire. Flare lowers the thing's damage because Flare kinda sucks, and Backfire did alot of damage because Backfire Rocks.

Empathy helped too; don't remember what else I brought, except that they weren't interrupts.

[Calnaion Blackhawk]

RANGERS: Use bow skills and rituals and stand next to him, as he uses an axe and gets no bonus from them ahaha thats the way i did it and i killed him in under 13 seconds

[Pyhimys]

RANGERS: Use bow skills and rituals and stand next to him, as he uses an axe and gets no bonus from them ahaha thats the way i did it and i killed him in under 13 seconds

...Or just grap many bow skills, rush next to him and let arrows fly.. done in 12sec ^^

[shadow_wolf323]

:P Tried beating the mirror with all of my normal skills before looking for help.. Me/N is really easy to beat just have all of the blood sacrifice spells + Empathy and Price of failure . I dont think I got the bonus but that works :cool:

[Tarot Ribos]

This almost felt like cheating... as a mesmer with no real elementalist skill to speak of, I just equipped:

Backfire
4 Different Mantras of elemental things
Armor of Earth (or whatever that is)
2 Wards

Yep. The guy sat there casting spell after spell... and taking 126 damage each time. I poked him with my staff a couple times. So... freakin'... cheap.

Question, though... about the Doppleganger's armor... does he copy that, go a bit stronger (as with your attributes), or does he just come with a pre-set armor class?

[Reithal]

monk/me here skill bar set up in this order

backfire empathy phantasm symbol of wrath imagined burden etheral burden healing breeze reversal of fortune

before you enter fight right before you step on last pad cast healing breeze and reversal of fortune start fight

pop backfire and empathy and then hit conjur phantasm 2x and dopplinger will die in less then 50seconds :)

dopplinger will use the two slow skills and phantasm on you

my point allocation was this

dom 9 illusion 2
healing 3
smiting 8
protection 6

obviously the things you need for this is dom9 and max illusion for this to be real successful...and point some points into healing for your breeze and reversal should win no sweat :)

[jon__]

The ranger doppleganger is the easiest to beat. Equip a bow, distracting shot, and troll unguent, and get within melee range of the shadow. He'll switch to an axe. You can interrupt his healing and he can't do anything about yours.

[Uldrath]

wow..didn't even think about using meteor shower on the doppel

Why do people think so hard about this stuff? You should have the experience to smok the doppel pretty easily.

As a fire elem, I didn't even USE meteor shower and I still beat it First try, in 20 seconds.

Just go in and do your thing. If you don't know what skills would work, maybe you don't know your skill set well enough.

[wbaldwin67]

The double DEFINATELY USED METEOR SHOWER... that is the first thing he casts. Let him cast it and wait.. as you see it fire off then run.
Now run straight at him use Glyph (-15 energy damage) and return the meteor. As your right next to him he wont back off because hes locked on you. He gets pounded now and he will get knocked down by the meteors disrupting his spells. Use Lavafont and Phoenix.. the rest is history.

[AzureSpark]

Determined not to switch my attribs I beat him in short order as a E/Mo Geomancer.

Earthquake
Aftershock
Obsidian Flame
Stoning
4*Elemental Attunements

As expected the first thing he did was start putting up the attunements :)
Run up, 1...2...3...4...dead

Elapsed time: I think around 15s. certainly only 1-2s more than the combined casting time of the skills :)

Az

[Maxiemonster]

I think it's pretty stupid the Doppelganger can use Sword (and probably Hammer) Skills with an axe..

[elenna]

I took my Mo/E doppelganger out with:

Retribution
Zealot's Fire
Balthazar's Aura
Symbol of Wrath
Reversal of Fortune

My doppleganger went down before my balthazar's aura had recharged.

[Are Cane]

I took out my doppelganger out with my E/Me:

Flare
Aura of Restoration
Gyph of Lesser Energy
Meteor
Fireball
Inferno
Meteor Shower
and Resurection Signet

I had forgotten to switch to Air Elementalist so I just cast Aura first then Meteor Shower, Meteor, Fireball, ran up to it and did Inferno, and ran back out and pounded it with flares.

[Fatalis]

For elementalists the best way is properly using Ether Renewal with * Attunement and Aura of Restoration, and any damage skills.

[minky]

I took advice from thread and on the second attempt I beat her. Used Holy something(wrath ?) and Retribution before entering the temple with her. Also brought some useless heal spell that does a small area.... Hit her with my wand of smiting until she croaked. Close call though...
Cranked up smiting skill prior also.

Thanks for the tips. Glad to be past her.... :)

[Yen-lo-wang]

The Mirror uses an axe, so if you bring axe skills he can use them. You were luckly I guess.

He got off three Cyclone Axes and *somehow* an Executioner's Strike before I beat him down... 31 seconds, the standing record in my guild. Used my standard build at the time and had zero problem.

[funbun]

Yeah, Monks must crank up smite. You don't need your secondary.

[Mesmerized]

mes has to be the easiest, hex breaker before, the second you get in backfire him with fastcast and then empathy, and he should beat himself down to almost 1/4th or less just with attempting to cast. if backfire runs out, finish him off with a powerspike.

beat my double in 14 sec i think

[Yunalesca]

i don't even know what the sytem is here, but i beat mine in about 2 secs after about 15+ times dying dying dying with the same strategy. pretty hit or miss with my mesmer. but in the end it was hex breaker+backfire and every blood sacrifice spell i had :)

[Silver Edge]

For my ele, I spread my points in energy storage, air and fire.
Had blinding flash and conjure flame on my skill bar. Filled the rest of my skill bar with useless skills.
Bring a max damage fire wand or staff. Cast blinding flash on him at start, then conjure flame. Now periodically cast blinding flash on him keeping him blind while you use your fire staff or wand to kill him.

[Level Moron]

http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12690&highlight=mirror
the way to kill him for monks

[Kool Pajamas]

For my E/Me, I used Backfire as soon as I got in and then empathy right after that and he was gone just 1 second after I casted empathy. I also put in some useless mesmer and ele skills that do little damage. I didnt put any attributes into any ele skills. I just loaded up on domination magic.

[Deltu]

For monks: crank up smiting and bring holy wrath and retribution. Then cast them right before you activate the mesa.
I have a better way so you can bash his head in quick. Bring a good dmg weapon(if secondary ranger, bow works best) and max up in divine favor. Bring Divine Boon and Healing Breeze and cast Boon on ytouirself. Then charge him with the weapon(dont bring any spells but breeze and boon) and kick his ass. Takes 10 second max

[Fenris Lightbow]

As a Ranger/Monk I loaded up my bar with Ranger preps and healing breeze. I found that he/it would spend lots of time casting the preps while I shot him. However, once he started shooting at me he was MUCH better than I. So, my daughter suggested I just charge him. He pulled out the axe and started hitting me. Since I have no axe skills he was pathetic with it. Oh sure he was doing damage to me, but rather than doing +96 with a bow he was doing +12 with the axe. My bow was doing +30 or so. It was then just a matter of time. Healing breeze brought me back up and he never seemed to get to it once we were engaged he just used the axe.

[Cartoonhero]

well, i havent heard to many strategies for a warrior, so here's mine.

take in all the weapon skills you normally use, and your healing signet. i personally use an axe, as does the mirror so yea. but the one skill you must bring with all this is distracting blow.

go in, and start wailing away with all your skills, if he tries to heal, just whack him with distracting blow. he wont heal then. apparently the double doesnt use this, as i was able to heal myself once. and thats all it took. like 30sec and he was dead. :cool:

[JoDiamonds]

The Doppleganger moves sometimes now. I don't know when this change happened, but my ElMe saw him actually run out from my meteor shower. He stood in it a while, so I'm not sure what triggered him running -- I still beat him without much trouble by using both Empathy and Backfire.

[Hailfall]

Ok I am a N/Mo and I have serious trouble killing my doppleganger. I tried up to 10 times now and have blood sacrifice spells in my spellslot (Blood Ritual, Blood of the Master, Signet of Agony and Plague sending) but my doppleganger wont use them and just disable me with his damned bow..

Someone an idea for me how to take him out? Might it also be because I do not have any attribute points in Blood Magic that he doesnt cast anything.. ?

[tracy]

i fought my mirror without using any skills. (i'm a w/e, which is lame)

i believe the bring a hammer and hammer skills because your mirror only uses an axe/axe skills method doesn't work. i guess anet changed it because i got this one hammer right but i forgot to equip with me( -_- ) and i had put in all these hammer skills in my bar lol. so i went in there with my axe and a bunch of hammer skills. :) so i'm like "shit i'm a stupid @&!&^%" then i decided i might as well try since the fool was attacking me with his arrows. so i start using my axe on him. he uses his AND hammer attacks. by this point i'm like "wtf i'm screwed." but i magically kill him off in a minute with my axe ;)

i'm not sure why this happened though maybe because i didn't change my attribute points. i had like 12 on axe mastery, 11 on strength, and 3 or so in tactics. the mirror has the same attribute levels right?

you should try it out lol. ;)

[heist23]

as a r/mo it took me about 12 tries to finally figure out the truth: that thing would always kick my ass if i brought healing spells.

so, i piled up on damaging bow attacks and distracting shot.

charge the doppelganger, and the game is over.

[Charcoal Ann]

the way i beat him with a necro was to crank up curses and bring price of failure.
then just hit qeqeqeqeqeqeqeqe etc to dodge the doppels ranged attacks... she goes down quick... blood sacrifice spells help as well (as long as they don't heal in any way shape or form).

you just let them kill themselves

[aeronox]

as a mesmer/ele (didnt try using ele skills), i just used empathy and distortion. with other strats i kept dying when he got at about 10% health... but casting distortion repeatedly, i dodged almost all arrows and defeated him with 75% of my health still. much easier than worrying about enchantments; stances are instantaneous.
with my monk, all i needed was healing breeze and retribution.

as a side note, i now fully appreciate the value of distortion ;)

[Uber Aftermath]

heres a less confusing way:

bring all skills that deal damage, and hit him wit heverything at once, dont bother about healing skills

[Mike Legend]

With my Fire Ele, I only took in Firestorm and Meteor Shower. I took out all my other skills and left them blank. It took me 9 seconds to kill my doppleganger because he just stood there and let Meteor Shower knock him over, so I just cast a quick Firestorm to finish him off and there you go. Easy.

[Blow Up Doll]

[QUOTE=ZD_kusanagi]

Warrior:
This one i a bit harder than the others. since it relies on random damage spikes basically. Bring whatever you think you can do more damage to him before he can do to you. My best advice for this battle, is don't bring any healing skills or spells. Computers have very high attribute points in most of the skills you would bring, so he woul just wear you down.

QUOTE]

He doesnt use healing breeze so bring that

[Synergie]

Hi I've done the searches and read all the advice and Im still dead in 8 seconds.

I'm a mesmer/ranger.
Ive tried the Hexbreaker/Empathy/Backfire routine (with no other skills in bar)hundreds of times and still dead in 8 secs.

Ive tried filling the rest of the bar with nature rituals to give me a bit of a head start with my staff, and that seems to work fine untill he starts t shoot arrows at me then Im dead in three hits. Please dont say dodge the arrows, cos I try, but then I cant fire back at him and he regens health.... back to being dead!

PLEASE, please, please......... what am I doing wrong? (Weep, cry, stamping of feet.)

I'm desperate.

[Obsiedion]

W/Ne - 5 times, 4 times under 7 seconds i got whooped from pillar to post. I tried equiping a hammer and using a sword, changing attribute point, leaving them all unspent, and even taking all my skills out.

Last attempt at 1am and i think "sod it if i die i am going to bed". So i think ok i am a warrior, a sword one, Equip all sword skills (seeking blade, galrath, savage slash, sever artery) and endure pain and shield bash. As soon as it started shield bash on and go sever artery, and then galrath, notice health is lagging endure pain, and then seeking blade. I know to read that seems like a well thought out, cool cunning plan....lol It all happened in less then 8 seconds!!

Remember what your primary is, think slowly. You choose this proffession not to farm, not to impress you choose it because you thought you would whoop a** all over tyria. Remember what your strengths are. IMO dont bother healing. kill him before he kills you. I know that sounds really stupid to say but its not actually that dumb. most of my guild either wiped them out, or got wiped out in under 30 seconds (and thats about 40 people). good luck dude!!

[Alodarn]

As El/Me I toasted him, I took all 4 attunement enchantments, Arcane Echo and shatter enchantment. Maxed dom. Easy :)

Bonus points for not taking damage for the time he spent casting the attunements :)

[Synergie]

Okay so this is how I did it.

(Mesmer/Ranger)

I filled 6 spaces in the bar with nature rituals to keep him busy and put Power Spike and Chaos Storm in the least 2. Chaos storm is the one that really did the damage with power spike adding a bit extra dmg while waiting for recharge.

I put max attribute points in Beast mastery, max in domination ( for the spells) and what I had left in Illusion for the staff I was using.

Took a couple of goes and found that I should stand as well away as I could else he came at me with the axe.... then I was done for.

Try it. It works.

:D

[Apathetic]

Ugh , Im having a really hard time.

Currently im a Mo/W @ level 7 trying to beat my DoP. Ive seen some of the methods posted, and will use some when I get home but my main problem is the damage he is dealing.

I get hit for maybe 30-50dmg per arrow (yes im using Draknors armor) and since im only lvl 7 I have no life. I just need to know what secondary profession should I go to ensure a win? Mesmer and pack what skills? I dont want to change if I only find that it doesnt work and waste Skill Points on the skills I need.

So feel free to comment :D I can really use it. Just need a definite way to beat him at this level or level 8. (I will use the divine boon method as heals, but I have so few attribute points I can fit about 6-7. Is this enough?) Thanks for any help. :)

[Phrozenflame]

Fire ELE/MO

Ascended: Today.
Attempt: First time ever, my first char. Defeated him = in first time =] I'm really happy about it.

Hers what you do:
1- Aura of REstoration
2- Flare
3- Flame shower
4- Meteor Shwoer
5- Useless skil, whcih ahs long casting time and lods of mana.
6- same as above..
7- same as above..
8- duhh...


Go inside..Aura of restore, flame shower, then meteor shower, than just flare flare and flare...he'll die b4 u know it.

[BunnyMaster]

I just need to know what secondary profession should I go to ensure a win? Mesmer and pack what skills?
Mesmer: Empathy+Chaos Storm, that's it
Ranger: Apply Poison + All rituals you can find

Have fun!

[unienaule]

Alright, Ele way, go earth and use ob flame and earthquake and eruption. pow. over. bonus easily. bring some other crap like foe and melee wards. Earth Attunement wastes his time pretty well too. just dont bring Ob Flesh or it will be VERY boring.

[Yichi]

Lvl 20 W/mo

prebuffed with balthasars spirit and zealots fire. activate last step to fight him. then berserkers stance, cylone axe, balanced stance (only cause my axe gives +14% dmg in stance), executioners strike, distruping chop, cyclone axe = gg in 11 seconds (guilds current record)

[The_difference]

Ill killed mine in like 5 seconds using my monk and all smiting skills

[Alone)]

Ill killed mine in like 5 seconds using my monk and all smiting skills

Sorry, but really think that's an exagerration. Maybe. Just...maybe... mmm ice cream at 2:26 am.

[Archaeus]

For an E/Mo or Mo/E...
If you have Ether Renewal, Aura of Restoration, Armor of Earth, and Divine Boon, you can become the ultimate mage-tank. At the time that I was defeating my mirrior self with my ele, I was experimenting with this mage-tank build:

Earth Magic: 10
Energy Storage: 10 (or divine favor if you're a monk primary - it really doesn't make much of a difference)
Fire/Lightning Magic (depending on personal preferance): 11

Basic skills:
1-4: (4 offensive spells from either fire or lightning magic - either one works)
5: Armor of Earth
6: Aura of Restoration
7: Ether Renewal {E}
8: Divine Boon

It was a bit of a long fight, but I never came close to dying. Basically, keep Aura of Restoration up at all times, along with Armor of Earth. When you get close to running out of health or energy, throw up ether renewal and spam divine boon. It was an original idea at the time, but I hear that many people (monks) are beginning to use this build for PvP nowadays. Anyway... Nuke your mirrior self, heal yourself, recover energy like mad, have fun.

Oh, one variation that's worth trying would be to lose the fire or lightning magic and go smiter - use zealot's fire + aura + armor of earth + ether renewal and spam divine boon till the cows come home. this should also keep you alive when your mirrior self whips out that hammer or axe from nowhere. You could also throw in a Balth's aura, but that would mean that your mirrior self could use it too... E_E

I beat my mirror self on the first try with this build.

[Phasma]

also as a monk prim andim sure monk secondary take only healing breeze with you as the dopleganger does not use it and he had no way to heal so just melee him to death i did it frist try at level 16


--Rabidus Phasma--

[Voltaire Arcanum]

Once you see how the dopp. works, you can take it down in less than a min with any class easily. You don't need someone to tell you how to do it for each class, you do the same cookie cutter thing every time.

1. The dopp. uses whatever skills YOU choose, and it uses most ALL of them that is is ABLE to (other than healing breeze apparently, but I didn't take that with my monk, why bother, takes too long).

2. Given 1, the key is to adopt a yin-yang type of strategy. You choose a crappy n00b skill bar, but you use it skillfully while the dopp. will run thru the whole bar wasting time or killing itself.

I always either:

a) take just one highly spammable damage dealing skill then fill the skill bar with stuff that won't help it and won't hurt you so it wastes time while I spam away (or even hurt it, e.g. necro sacrifice skills). My ele took flare (yes, flare!), then some skills that wouldn't help at all (e.g. dmg to adjacent targets, since you aren't getting anywhere near it, ward against melee, junk like that), then I just spammed flare while the dopp ran down the skill bar looking like an idiot. It was half dead before it had even hit me once. No need to dodge AoE, you just stand in one spot, spam flare and watch it go down quickly (don't bring aura of rest, or anything that might help it heal), or

b) take some skills it can't use and spam those. With my mo/w I took sword skills since I know it uses an axe up close (bow for distance so don't take bow skills). I just ran up to it right away (while it ran thru some worthless time-wasting skills on the skill bar) and spammed the few sword skills while I hacked away. It can't use the sword skills because it pulls out an axe and says to itself "omfg what is THIS doing in my weapon slot?!?" Once again it went down very quickly with no need for wimping out with healing breeze garbage.

Every class has SOMETHING that fits into a) or b) - I could have taken some smiting to spam for my monk instead of sword for example. The point is that you spam the ONE (or two) useful skill(s) while the dopp wastes time trying everything on the bar then switches to its weapon.

I hope this helps. :)

[Barazur]

Ok I am a N/Mo and I have serious trouble killing my doppleganger. I tried up to 10 times now and have blood sacrifice spells in my spellslot (Blood Ritual, Blood of the Master, Signet of Agony and Plague sending) but my doppleganger wont use them and just disable me with his damned bow..

Someone an idea for me how to take him out? Might it also be because I do not have any attribute points in Blood Magic that he doesnt cast anything.. ?

Its a long time but i just got this thread linked and so...

Did N/mo yesterday (i was lvl 17 while the dp is 20). Some trick:
1. max your health with items and do not put any major or sup runes.
2. remove points form blood magic, curses and all monk attributes
3. bring 4-5 USELESS sacrifice spells and in particular:
- awaken the blood (make all sacrifice double health)
- order of pain (guaranteed that he will use it for 1 extra damage lol)
4. bring 3 maintenance enchantments which are pretty much useless. the dp will use them and will loose energy regen. I dont think this was needed but was fun to see. I brought life attunement, holy veil and another one that i dont remember.
5. do not use any skill and kill him quick (took 15s for me).

[Yichi]

Another addition for anyone that has a Mo/Me. I defeated him with it in about 40 seconds only using empathy and diversion.

way to do it. before last pedastal to activate mesa, cast diversion and skip the scene. since diversion gives u a 75% chance to block, then cast empathy. cast diversion again and run back and forth dodging his arrows. keep casting diversion and empathy as needed. still had almost a full health bar left...


edit. this tactic can work with all mesmers or anyone with mes secondary. relatively easy fight. a guildmate did it using these tactics at lvl 12

[WhiteHand]

BEATING MONK DOUBLE in less than 10 seconds.

I actually beat my double in 5-7 seconds and received 50,000 xp, roughly 1/3 of my total xp at the time. I was 19th level at the time. I don't know how many levels I went up, went from 125k xp to about 175k.

Here is the strategy I used:

MAX SMITE and put everything else at 1 attribute point.

Balthazar's Aura,
Symbol of Wraith
6 other skills that are high mana and LONG casting times. LONG casting times being critical over mana used.
NO HEALING SKILLS!!

Once the duel starts, rush him and cast Balthazars and Symbol and then attack with your rod/staff. My double cast Balthazars but then tried to cast a Ranger spirit spell or something, but died before or about the time he got it casted. I had 6 spirit spells due to the long cast times. Honestly I wasn't paying attention to him it went by so fast and I was watching my health bar.

I was successful my first time doing this method, no guarntees but it worked for me!

The Torinator

[HOXMAN]

If only we had the "RESTART PC" Skill and the "Mom's Calling You For Dinner" Skill. That'd do it!

(sorry.. couldn't resist! Great suggestions btw Keep it up!)

[Maddie]

Pacifism - Healing Breeze

It suggs when you are a full monk with almost no skill of an other attribute.. but for those who are..
This was my combination 45 secs

[stelliosm]

I beat dopple with my war first time, all uot dmg attacks no heals.
then for my mon/war i just took my wars hammer in with me, took only attck skills and no heals and won.

[imanixon2]

i saw a post that claimed DG wont use meteor shower. well mine did, just move out of the way.

[prime stinger]

e/mes was easy for me... echo + met shower = owned... i just kept disrupting him.. ownt (H)

[Archaeus]

I tried just loading my bar with sacrifice skills and Awaken the Blood on my necro, and I was disappointed. The mirrior used Awaken the Blood, Blood Renewal, and Enfeebling Blood, then proceeded to hack at me vigorously with an axe till I died. He bit the dust himself from the degen he got from Chiblains, but I still lost.

My solution: Bring Insidious Parasite and Spiteful Spirit {E} and pump up those curses! Grab Defile Flesh for its 20% sacrifice. Then, of course, bring Awaken the Blood and Enfeebling Blood. DO NOT bring Blood Renewal (big sacrifice, but regen+healing too).

I found that he will NEVER use Signet of Agony, Verata's Sacrifice, or Blood of the Master, even if they are the only skills on your bar. He'll just smack you around with his axe and laugh at you. He occasionally uses Chiblains if you have it, but only if you get up close to him. He loves to use Awaken + Enfeebling Blood, which is nice.

At the beginning of the fight, you'll both lay on Insidious Parasite and Spiteful Spirit on each other. Grab Enfeebling Blood and Awaken. Both his hexes will wear off a lot quicker than yours will, if you get curses up enough (mine was at 16). He'll probably cast Awaken the blood and enfeebling blood right after that. You could throw on an Enfeebling on him if you'd like, though it'll cost you some health (maybe bring both Enfeeble and Enfeebling Blood, and use Enfeeble) Go in close to him and then start strafing left and right, so that he has to move to hit you but you don't get critted. Whenever he hits you, he'll take about 58 damage and you'll be healed for 21 (at 16 curses). Keep dancin' and he'll be dead before you know it.

[Archaeus]

Another addition for anyone that has a Mo/Me. I defeated him with it in about 40 seconds only using empathy and diversion.

way to do it. before last pedastal to activate mesa, cast diversion and skip the scene. since diversion gives u a 75% chance to block, then cast empathy. cast diversion again and run back and forth dodging his arrows. keep casting diversion and empathy as needed. still had almost a full health bar left...


edit. this tactic can work with all mesmers or anyone with mes secondary. relatively easy fight. a guildmate did it using these tactics at lvl 12

I believe you mean distortion, not diversion.

Apologies for the double post.

[Ghost.]

i think this thread doesn't give you to many options on what things you actually can use against doppleganger

[Demon Rebel]

Hey :)

I walked in with my R/N Demon Rebel... Had some useless spells like soul feast, ignite arrows, and just my basic Ranger setup to that point. He hit me a couple times with the axe and died in roughly 9 seconds - major breeze... now if all my chars could have it so easy.

The Mo/W had it a little tougher, with the right setup she trashed him in a little bit longer I think 30+ seconds, frenzy, smite, bane signet, holy touch and banish. Banish is my favorite spam hit, though it doesn't have the double hit when foe is attacking like Smite does.

[Marti]

Well, i managed somehow to kill him (R/Mo), with 3 nature rituals (doesnt matter which ones), Troll Unguent, Symbol of Wrath, Penetrating Attack, Savage Shot and Dust Trap. He started off with all the nature rituals, while i rushed in and pulled off SoW. Of course, he was not close enough, so it didnt work. While he still was using the rituals, i just started pummeling him with arrows. He used Troll unguent, and i disrupted it with savage shot. After 2 disrupts i just finished him off. The only damage i recieved, was from one bow shot.

[Raiin Maker]

its easy if you a necro.. just take all sacrifeing spells and awaken the blood... (and vampric gaze)

use awaken the blood and vampric gaze ONLY your DG will use most of the sacrifing spells and ATB and will kill himself... easy way for necro's to ascend.

[Bleaked]

I managed to pull off a Me/R win without using Nature Rituals =P

Brought Spirit of Failure, Shatter Enchantment, Channeling, and had more or less a blank skillbar from there. I think I might have used Arcane Echo off the bat to get another Shatter, but I can't quite remember.

Pumped Domination, Marksmanship (for a good bow) and Inspiration, naturally.

Channeling was a dummy skill, he'll use it whenever he can - past that, I merely used Shatter and Spirit, and hoped I got lucky with Spirit of Failure's 25% miss chance as I traded shots. Shatter put me over the top the second time I tried it.

[Prince Zyphr]

for my ele i used meteor shower+fire storm+fireball+flare

cast meteor shower first then just keeping moving around and cast fire strom move some more(moving is for dodging the AOE's) and firebal+flare=dead :)

monk i used, sever artery,gash,pure strike, banish, balthazars aura, healing breeze, orison of healing; when i did it he was stupid and basically did nothing might be differnt for u

anybody who is mesmer or /mesmer just take alot of useless hexes or spells + backfire, channeling, and shatter enchatment
add all points to domintaion cast backfire on him first, he should use channeling and after backfire is off use shatter enchat to kill

[Loch]

I just killed the doppleganger with my Ele today, using only Meteor Shower and Firestorm.

But wait, the doppleganger runs away from AoE's now!

...but not when they're busy casting their 4-5 second AoE's. When your AoE's are recharging, wand-spam for the win.

[Arcien Trueflight]

I did it in about 45 seconds with my R/Mo. Didn't use a single Ritual, and only needed 3 skills. Mending, Protective Spirit, and Distracting shot. I put on mending before the fight started, and as soon as it did, I fired distracting shot, which stopped him from using it, and then cast protective spirit. After that, it was just a simple waiting game of attacking him, keeping spirit up, and using distracting shot when he tried to use mending. Worked for me.

[Loadtoad]

yes alot of the ideas above no longer work.... they have changed how your mirror thinks now... My mirror did not use one of my skills just beat me with that damb axe, the only time it would use a skill is if i put in a good one!

[Storm Crow]

you people REALLY exaggerate the ele Dopp.

-take Fire Storm and Meteor Shower (in that order, he'll do storm first)
-if you arent pyro, switch out, you can always go back to your previous element.
-when you go in, hit SHOWER first, it'll keep him busy while he tries to use storm.
-once he gets storm out, just move, and cast it youself
-strafe left and right to avoid arrows and watch the fireworks fly as the 50,000xp floats from your head

this took me a total of about 9 seconds, you dont need any worthless skills or Aura, just a couple good AoE's and your wand/staff and you're good to go


kk thx bye

[Loadtoad]

firestorm does not work..... he will move
strafe left and right to avoid arrows ---that doesnt work---

[Zephyr Jackson]

My Monk lvl 17
9smite
split dF and HP
banesig banish smite retribution diboon and healing breeze

[Age]

I will add to this I used with my Monk healing breeze.retrubutionand holy wrath on my warrior I used riposte,final thrust.frenzy and healing signet.I beat in 1 attempt in under 5 min more like 2.This has got to be the esaiest part of ascending.

[LightningHell]

For me, all I have to do is Flare + Backfire. Of course, Aura of Restoration is nice, but not needed.

[leeky baby]

if ur a monk or a monk secondary then just take healing breze as only skill and use it the guy will not use it :)

[mainxstage]

I took him down by letting him cast useless spells on me like spirit shackles and spirit of failure. I didnt have to smack him with my wand once.

Skill bar:

Hex breaker, Empathy, Backfire, Spirit Shackles, Spirit of Failure, Essense Bond, Life Attunement, Healing Breeze.

Atts:
Domination - Max
Healing Prayers - Max

Cast Hex breaker and let it recharge before you enter. If he casts Hex Breaker as well hit him with spirit shackles then backfire + empathy. If not then just backfire + empathy. If he removes a hex recast hex breaker. Died pretty quick.

[Shimus DarkRaven]

if ur a monk or a monk secondary then just take healing breze as only skill and use it the guy will not use it :)

/Agree. It's a glitch in the system, unless it's a conditional use, he won't use Hb. Pure melee will own him so Max damage weapon+Healing breeze = Ownage + bonus =)

--The Shim

[jmfcuk]

I just set my necro to blood and domination, and used empathy, vamp gaze, and all sacrifice spells.

The guy had a bow so use empathy, then watch as he kills himself FAST with the combo of that and sacrifice spells! You need Vamp gaze, because when his health is real low you need that extra push to kill him.

Did it in 7-8secs with this ;) but i was lvl 20, and somethin like lvl 14 on dom and blood, but it is prob the easiest with N/Me or Me/N, as every1s been saying!

[Bubba Lips]

For most classes, take 2 skills only

1 healing and an 1 interrupt

All you gotta do is interrupt his healing and u win.

[Feminist Terrorist]

I don't know where you guys are getting this idea that the doppel won't use healing breeze. It's simply not true. I just attempted it with my mo/me and the doppel uses breeze quite freely. I sat there and watched to be sure.

[unienaule]

If you read more carefully, he won't use it if you go pure melee.

[Arcien Trueflight]

I beat him in about 20 seconds with my R/Mo, I cast mending on myself outside, and when I got in, as I expected, he tried to cast it. So, I used Distracting shot, and for the next 18-19 seconds I just shot at him until he tried casting mending again and I killed him. Short, simple, and sweet.

[Prafessional Playa]

I am a necro/monk and i have tried at least 30 times trying to kill the doppleganger. If you have any suggestions please let me know

[tuperwho]

I believe the easy necro strategy is to bring skills for him to use that will sacrifice life. Meanwhile, you don't use them, you just use your wand.

[Prafessional Playa]

I have a n/mo and i brought sacrifice spells and everything you guys said but he just does bow and axe damage and woops me everytime... if i die but he is still bleeding and dies will i still ascend?

[Beelzebubba]

I have a n/mo and i brought sacrifice spells and everything you guys said but he just does bow and axe damage and woops me everytime... if i die but he is still bleeding and dies will i still ascend?

No, you won't. I am having the same problem. No matter what combination I bring he still somehow seems to heal himself. Even when I bring no skills that heal. He'll use the sacrifice stuff, but almost immediately goes from half health to full health. Any ideas on what's happening here?

[Cold]

Just killed her with my ele.
+16 in earth and the rest in energy storage.
Skills: Obsidian Flame, Crystal Wave and Meteor Shower + any useless non-healing long-casting spells.

As soon as you get in she casts Meteor Shower. Get closer and hit her with Crystal Wave (106dmg ignoring armor), then run away and keep casting Obsidian Flame (118dmg per hit ignoring armor). That's about it.

[Skuld]

I did something similar with me ele, didn't even equip any specialist skills, just killed it with fireball phoenix meteor and so on while it was casting shower

[Anarki]

Well I just kicked his sorry ass without even losing once out of 5 tries. He just couldnt kill me.
I am a Ranger/Monk and i used:

1. Savage Shot
2. Hunter's Shot
3. Troll Unguent
4. Favorable Winds
5. Read the Wind
6. Comfort Animal
7. Charm Animal
8. Restore Life

Once you start use immediately Read The Wind then as soon as you're done casting shoot with Savage Shot (Doppleganger will try to summon Favorable Winds). Then use Troll Unguent and just shoot at him or go to close combat if you prefer (his axe is weaker than bow), however it doesnt really matter since you are gonna kill him anyway :)
At the point when he tries to use Troll Unguent your Savage Shot will be ready so interrupt it. He might first try to use Read The Wind. Dont interrupt that one just wait for Troll Unguent.
Repeat that strategy every time he tries to use Troll Unguent, he will die in about 20-40 seconds which is enough for bonus too.
I just did it 5 times in a row and had no problems. Every Ranger should be able to do it since I havent used my Monk skills at all.

[Mistcane]

Ok, I have tried 30+ times with my Mo/W. I have tried using no healing skills and still couldn't beat him. He is doing 100+ dmg with his axe. Why does he have an axe and a bow if all I have is a wand? Anyways, how do you Mo/W kill him?

[WolflordUlrik]

Based only upon my personal experience i say the dopple is easy to beat as long as your a good player.
The latest build i faced him with was with my W/n: vile touch, hamstring, sever, gash, and victory is mine +others not important.
I went in fully skilled for pvp cause i just came from the competition arenas. I forgot i had to fight him and never had trble b4 so why reskill?

23secs

[Mistcane]

Finally beat the dopple as a Mo/W. Retribution,Healing Breeze, and Divine Boon--Drok Armor, gg dopple.

[temp]

the is the best way for monk

take in only 2 skill

healing breeze and retriubtion..... your doppleganger doesnt use them so he kills himself

over in a few seconds...ace

[Cold]

Just killed her again with my W/Mo (what an unusual build :) )
- Savage Slash
- Seeking Blade
- Healing Signet
Strategy:
Hit, hit, hit, hit, savage slash (to interrupt healing), hit, hit, hit, hit :D

[lyra_song]

Necro Monk or Monk Necro :

Spirit of Failure + Guardian + Aegis + enfeeble

[Pyro_Elementalist]

Okay, i have read through many ways to kill the Doppleganger but i have yet been successful with me new chara. She is a lvl 7 Mo/W and has 240 health. I wanted to know if there was anyway i can beat it. I tried several skill combos but none have been successful.

[Hells Vengeance]

As a Necro take along "Awaken the Blood". That will be the first thing your dopple will use, making it so it loses double the percentage of health when using sacrifice skills.

[Maxiemonster]

My lvl 4 Mesmer just can't pull it off. I have Empathy, and that should work, but how in the world do I dodge his arrows? I't's just impossible.. And since I die in one hit (he deals 161+ damage, I've got 160 Health), I can't afford to get hit.

[mrbeluga]

wow great advice, im a r/e and i put meteor shower on him it left him with about 10 hp and 1 bow hit killed him.im in ur dept now for showing me the way to victory

[toastgodsupreme]

Thank you for this. I threw emp and backfire on him and let him cast his wards. nearly killed himself with just the wards with backfire on him, lol.

[Mistermagoo]

Easy to dodge. Beat him with my level 8 necro. Just run left / right until you see him nock the arrow, right after you see the animation, just switch opposite directions..

[exodite]

a good way i found for my monk not sure if this works any more though smite the hell out of him but have max smite max heal no divine use all smite skills and have meding + breeze as Henchies only ever use these when they are being degened same with dopple ganger hehe:P

[Zatara]

Any tips for a lvl 6 W/Mo?

[awesome sauce]

what worked for me for monk was reversal of fortune. You can spam it while the doppleganger does not know how to spam it.

[blakk]

the wmonk is easy, bring skills that require energy upkeep, and then bring skills that take a long time to cast. add your two warrior damage skill a last, then run up and chop him up( bring frenzy but dont use it)

[Manic Smile]

My lvl 4 Mesmer just can't pull it off. I have Empathy, and that should work, but how in the world do I dodge his arrows? I't's just impossible.. And since I die in one hit (he deals 161+ damage, I've got 160 Health), I can't afford to get hit.

What is your sub? Hope it's nec :). Either way go with backfire as your main damage source...put Dom as high as you can. Give him a bunch of crap spells to keep him busy...when I killed him with my mez...lvl 13...(yea I know way over 4)...he never used a wepon once...killed him in under 20 secs...gonna push it a little bit and say 10sec.

He won't BF himself to death so use shattered delusions as the finisher. What is your armor btw? The damage is independent of your lvl and it seems your taking way too much.

[Manic Smile]

Easy to dodge. Beat him with my level 8 necro. Just run left / right until you see him nock the arrow, right after you see the animation, just switch opposite directions..

just give him all sac spells and don't use them yourself...nec was fun

[LouAl]

I can't believe that everyone thinks you need a trick build for the doppleganger! I can't possibly imagine that your "normal" build is so good that you can't counter it!

Try this:

What do kills you the fastest when fighting monsters/in PvP? Use that.

All you have to do is play effectively. The stupid thing is just AI, it just randomly (to an extent) uses skills. Use that to your advantage. Don't change your skills, just use them better than your mirror does.

Everyone says how stupid henchies are, this guy is just a henchie with your skill set. The only real advantage that the Doppleganger has is that it doesn't get frustrated/upset/angry/etc.

I didn't set any records killing it, but I killed it with 2 characters and both were less than 30 seconds. I didn't change my skills do it either. I even gave it 2 interupts with my warrior and 3 with my mesmer, but I let it interupt small stuff and then worked it over with the big stuff...

I played once in the CA with my mesmer and fought another mesmer. She kicked the crap out of me. I nterupted all her low cost/fast recharge spells and she interupted all my high cost/long recharge spells -- I was dead in about 10 seconds. In that case I was the Doppleganger. The other mesmer had almost the same skills as me she just used them better. :D

[Puppets]

I can't beat my doppleganger at all, I've been at it for at least 20+ tries now.
I'm a Mes/Mo, I really need some tips.

Oh I can't do the empathy/dodging trick, I get far too much lag spikes/delay to pull that off. :/

Another addition for anyone that has a Mo/Me. I defeated him with it in about 40 seconds only using empathy and diversion.

way to do it. before last pedastal to activate mesa, cast diversion and skip the scene. since diversion gives u a 75% chance to block, then cast empathy. cast diversion again and run back and forth dodging his arrows. keep casting diversion and empathy as needed. still had almost a full health bar left...

Yay that worked great, thanks :)

[kvndoom]

If you're anything Monk, primary or secondary, all you need is Scourge Healing and Orison of Healing. Period. 12 smiting, 0 everything else. Period. Max Smiting Rod from collector outside Elona. Period. Under 50 seconds every time. Period. If you don't have max desert armor and whine about getting your ass kicked, you don't deserve to ascend anyway. Period.

Warrior / Monk? Take Frenzy along too, and pump up your weapon attributes to use your melee weapon. 12 smiting, 0 everything else.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/kvndoom/dopple.jpg

26 seconds. My best was 22 seconds. It's only as hard as you make it. Period.

[Delta]

Here's how to defeat the Doppelganger as a Mo/R -

You should have at least 10 attribute points in Smiting Prayers, Healing Prayers and Divine Favor.

Your skill set should include: Life Attunement;Retribution;Symbol of Wrath;Healing Breeze;4x "BeastMastery Spirit Rituals" (e.g. Predatory Season, Symbiosis, etc)

Do NOT cast Life Attunement on yourself! Do not cast any of the "BeastMastery spirit rituals".

The Doppelganger will start by spending 20 seconds of his/her time by creating each of the spirits. While he/she is doing that, cast Retribution on yourself, then run up to the Doppelganger and use Symbol of Wrath when you are adjacent to him/her and the spirits, and couple that with attacking the doppelganger with a high damage weapon (bow suited for me). Symbol of Wrath should also be damaging the spirits. Once the Doppelganger has finished casting the spirits, he'll/she'll cast Life Attunement on herself about 2-4 times, then she will use Symbol of Wrath. DON'T PANIC, stay where you are; use Healing Breeze (even better if you start using Healing Breeze when the Doppelganger is casting Symbol of Wrath). The Doppelganger should be at about 20% health, so then keep bow attacking the Doppelganger and he/she should die.

I killed the Doppelganger in about 40 seconds with this strategy, which is reasonable for a monk.

[Savio]

If you're anything Monk, primary or secondary, all you need is Scourge Healing and Orison of Healing. Period. 12 smiting, 0 everything else. Period. Max Smiting Rod from collector outside Elona. Period. Under 50 seconds every time. Period. If you don't have max desert armor and whine about getting your ass kicked, you don't deserve to ascend anyway. Period.

Warrior / Monk? Take Frenzy along too, and pump up your weapon attributes to use your melee weapon. 12 smiting, 0 everything else.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/kvndoom/dopple.jpg

26 seconds. My best was 22 seconds. It's only as hard as you make it. Period.

22? With just Frenzy I usually get 18 or less.

Incidentally, since you're automatically enchanted when you go to fight the Doppelganger, it's not a bad idea to bring Enchant-based weapons and shields.

[Poke The Almighty]

10 second kill for a mesmer dopple ganger (lvl 16)

Attribute:
Fast Casting: 10
Domination 11

Skills:
Wastrels Worry
Empathy
Backfire

Immediately cast backfire, followed with empathy, then spam wastrels worry, the guy will kill himself in a few seconds.

[Draeco_Smash]

The easiest way to do this with the ele is to go Earth and equip armour of mist or whatever, the one that makes u immune to all dmg except lightnening, dont equip any lightning...
be sure to equip it in ur 1 skill bar slot...
they have a tendency to cast from left to right...
then put what ever u want because u can do dmg but he cant just dont cast it on him!!!

did it in one try :)
easy as pie

[I Choose You]

fastest. kill. ever.

awaken the blood, offerring of blood, dark pact, backfire... 8 seconds to kill

[nasty hobbitses]

I fell in love with mes as second prof with my first character. Really how can u beat conjure phantasm. So my experience with dopple has always been with mes abilities, so if u can bring backfire and empathy and lots of usless stuff...
I use backfire, dop uses empathy. i use wand or staff and dont care what dop does cause every spell (maxed out my dom points) literally sucks the life outta it. Very fast, no stress and voila off u go.

[Linsys]

I can't believe that everyone thinks you need a trick build for the doppleganger! I can't possibly imagine that your "normal" build is so good that you can't counter it!


Ummm Yes... Sometimes I like to kill my double just for fun... seriously...

Anyway my Level 20 warrior can assinate him in a few seconds, but I like to try other bulds... I tried to kill my double with my Warrior Solo Build and basicly I was unable to kill him and he was unable to kill me... we stood there for about 10+ minutes just hacking away at one another and neither of us died, I just figured it would be a never ending battle.

[d3kst3r]

Here's the cheat way to do it for ranger.

Equip all bow attack skills. Move within melee range of Doppleganger. Equip an axe and hit him. Once your Doppleganger also equips an axe then switch to bow and kick his ass.

[sabre lord]

im a lvl 16 war alot of cashlike 500k a fierydragon sword and a sundering sword of spartha wat skills should i get and wepons tell me th best strategy plz help me i want to ascend

[Z'HA'DUM]

lol i killed my ele doppelganger in less than 20 seconds!!

[sabre lord]

i beat him in 12 secs with my lvl 16 w/r with my sundering sword of spartha and shield of the wing i had a bunch of useless hammer spells and two sword with no healing! so i came in killed him but it happened so fast i was like WTF use fury mainly bcuz he uses it alot and it does dobble damage to HIM evry time u hit so i hit like 100 with seeking sword
great!!! so hope that helps:)

[Urias Skult]

Hmm, Im having trouble with this. Im a N/E so Im taking useless crap spells and he is tanking me to death with melee and bow hits. If I take any decent spells we both use them and I seem to die quickly. So far my best chance has been running around in circles but he chases me firing 30+ Hp damage arrows and occasionally stopping to use a -10% Hp spell. But his bow hits are too powerfull to stay alive long enough for him to sacrifice himself to death.

Im slightly annoyed that I am apparently not good enough to kill him as easily as everyone else here!

I really cant bring my regular build either, I specialise as a MM and 6/8 spells require a corpse.:p

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Saul D allesio]

Hey....im a mo/me and i am also trying 2 beat dopple...I tryed a few times...and it still didnt work i tried retribution + healing breeze + zeolots +Reversal and usless enchants it still didnt work i died in -5 seconds...som1 said 'how much health u got m8?' and i said '380 m8 y?' (im lvl 15) 'with 380 health u aint gona go nowhere unles u bring holy wrath from ascalon settlement' (so i went ona lenthy journey 2 there) i cam back and he kill me in not -5 secs...but 5 secs this time...some1 sair bring empathy/backfire and dodge arows...at first he cast back fire on me without me noticing then i finsihed cating backfire then i cast empathy....i was dead in 2 hits 263 damgage each spell...i tried again and i kept getting hit at som points and i had 2 recast empathy and healing breeze for health....you guse what....I still died I used symbol and alot of smites I dided in -10020902390293,0000,0000,0000 seconds....Btw I have normal monk armor from ascalon...u think i should get dessert collectors first and try another
10+ times or dose ne1' of u know a build that could help me.....I am sorta deperate here....

[Kaguya]

some1 sair bring empathy/backfire and dodge arows...at first he cast back fire on me without me noticing then i finsihed cating backfire then i cast empathy....i was dead in 2 hits 263 damgage each spell...i tried again and i kept getting hit at som points and i had 2 recast empathy and healing breeze for health....you guse what....I still died I used symbol and alot of smites I dided in -10020902390293,0000,0000,0000 seconds....Btw I have normal monk armor from ascalon...u think i should get dessert collectors first and try another
10+ times or dose ne1' of u know a build that could help me.....I am sorta deperate here....
You forgot Hexbreaker. Cast Hexbreaker just before you enter the mission, then backfire Doppy. Doppy will hit you with Backfire, but Hexbreaker will deflect it, then just recast hexbreaker. Add some junk hexes that don't affect you that the doppy will cast, and he'll kill himself on the backfire.

It works just like on the first post on the first page, Ascended my Mo/Me not long ago with those pointers.

And.. Ascalon armor won't prolly be the best choice either :D Collectors or just get some off crafter at Amnoon...

[Narceleptic Cow]

Killing Doppelganger was frustrating for me, it took about 3 hours of switching skills to come up with something that finially worked. Here is what I had:

Necromancer/Monk Lvl 20 (health 510/ energy 51)

Shadow Strike
Defile Flesh
Dark Aura
Dark Pact
Heal Party
Scourge Healing
Vital Blessing
Retribution

Weapons: Deadly Cesta, 6-9 Cold dmg, Energy +10, Energy Regin -1

Off hand: Grim Cesta, Energy +11, Armor +4 vs Phys Attack

Armor: Tormentors set from Drokners Forge (70 Armor)

Energy was at 51, but one of my cestas has -1 energy. With Vital blessing and Retribution also running, it left only one pip for energy regeneration.

Defile flesh, Dark Aura, Dark Pact, and Heal Party were for Doppelganger to use. I turned on Vital blessing and Retribution before entering the arena. Once in, I threw Scourge Healing and then Shadow Strike. Those were the only ones I kept using. Doppelganger used the other skills which sacrificed his blood or energy. He also used Heal Party, but then Scourge Healing kicked in and did him -63 damage each time he used the 15 energy skill, 2 for 1.

I didn't get the bonus, it probably took a few minutes and was down to the wire between us, but he ended up dying first (probably around my 30th try).

[dimirpaw]

For my R/Mo it was easy at lv 12, just loaded up with 5 spirits and 3 traps. Right when I entered to vs him I went close to him, not too close because he would set of a trap on me. I place barbed and flame trap then I attacked him, he went close to me to melee since I wasnt far. Traps went off and he started running, add that with barb, he didnt run far enough to pull out his bow and came to melee me and died. 20 second match, very easy.

[kvndoom]

I just ascended my R/Mo yesterday. I got whupped the first few times, but then I realized I was level 18, so it had what, 80 more health than me, and I still had my 61AL Amnoon armor instead of the 70AL collector's armor. But I got it on the 5th try with my same staple of skills- Scourge Healing, Orison, and this time I threw in Tiger's fury to get him to start healing faster. 12 Smiting, rest in BM. When I did beat him, it was still under 50 seconds, so I got my 50k experience. What did I do different the 5th time? I moved in close at the beginning. Get in his face and he immediately switches to the axe, and the axe does WAY less damage than the bow.

[Urias Skult]

I beat my doppelganger today too. Its funny how you either get killed quickly or you kill him quickly! I killed him in around 25 seconds.

I used 5 health sacrificing skills (for him) and I used Iron Mist right away followed by Lightning.

Im so glad I have been able to switch secondaries, Elementalist and with a Necro was just a bad pairing.

[Star Gazer]

indeed. I did the same thing, sacrifice skills, with a lvl 5 necro...made lvl 12 and was lfg in tombs :D (old tombs)

[LouAl]

Just so everyone is clear the fact that he/she/it doesn't use healing breeze is not a glitch. If you notice, monsters and henchies don't use it either unless there is some kind of degen they are trying to counteract. It is what healing breeze is best at anyway...it really isn't that great at healing you unless your max heatlh is extremely low.

I still feel that many people are missing the point with the doppleganger. You DO NOT need a trick build to beat your mirror. All skills have a weakness of some kind, find that weakness and exploit it against him/her/it.

[TimberOwl]

Hi guys, is it possible to kill the dopple with a lvl10 R/Me? Ive tried several times but it just kills me..

Ive tried to concentrate on mesmer skills like empathey to help him kill himself, as if i put powershot in he deals 200 on me and im dead.

I haven't been successful so far with even lowering his health below 50%, any tips... i have 351health without armor, got some runes on armor so they don't help with health, i just removed armor and lived a little longer..

[Gorebrex]

They dont play fair in the mesa...
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5874/gw2477mt.jpg :mad:
Got her 2nd time though!
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1847/gw2503cd.jpg

[kaze0099]

Just ascended with my lvl 11 necro, only got to lvl 17 though =/

I used:

Demonic flesh
enfeebling blood
signet of agony
chillbains
awaken the blood (supprisingly dopple always used it first)
retribution (monk)
dark pact
rend enchantments

I just ran around and let him cast dark pact on me untill his health dropped to almost nothing adn then cast dark pact back to him and he died.

[Ymir Sade]

people are always telling me how hard it is to kill dopple with a monk!
i thought i would just make up my own build for to see how "hard" it realy was.

with mo/me he was dead in 9 seconds.
the trick: use retibution before u go in, take 1 long lasting hex, and shatter hex. beaf up domination and smiting and just use as many smiting atacks as possible. he will do lots of dmg to u but cos of retibution he wil die 1st.

so gone on, have a litle smite fest with the dopple!

[Sergio Leone]

Well yeah with mo/me just use the Mesmer Shutdown build but for anything else take Healing Breeze ONLY and a good wand and wand him to death. Last I checked he DOES NOT use Healing Breeze.

[DreamCatcher]

Any ideas how to beat the mirror with a lvl 12 N/Me? I've tried several different builds but they aren't working for me. It usually just bows/axes me to death without even using a single skill or just uses 1 skill...also he runs faster then I do (seems like he uses sprint or something...)

[Star Gazer]

uhmmmmm i beat my dopple at lvl 6 n/me :D you need to bring ALL sacrificing skills, including awaken the blood...he will kill himself in about 15 secs or so

[Uncle Penny]

W/Mo's have it pretty damn easy, my first ascension was messed up. As I hit the 3 stones and the cinematic ended i got some major choppy lag. I tried to kill him but the lag was so bad i died, but something messed up happened, because of the lag it thought i actually killed him, i even got the bonus too lmao, so i was lvl like 15 now 20, except one thing, since i died yet i won too, it sent me back to town without the final cinematic, and i didnt have dragons lair...so i just got 51k exp hah...So i just killed him again in like 5 seconds without lag and got dragons lair.

[Sab]

Just done it as a Me/Mo with 4 skills:

Empathy
Backfire
Orison of Healing
Scourge Healing

Points spread around in Fast Casting, Domination Magic and Smiting Prayers, no points in Healing Prayers.

Casted Backfire, Empathy and Scourge Healing as I entered. The Doppelganger killed himself rather quickly I must say. No need to strafe arrows.

[LouAl]

Here's what I did last night:

Mo/N lvl 20
Heal 5 (3+2)
Smite 13 (12+1)
Divine 11 (10+1) I think
Life attunement, Holy Veil, Banish, Smite, Bane Sig, Holy Strike, Symbol of Wrath, Healing Touch

Note: The Doppleganger did NOT use the skills in the order of my skill bar. Several people have claimed that it will, but that is not always the case. Also, it used banish more than once but never used Holy Veil, although it did use Life Attune.

Since many of these skills are conditional (ie if foe is attacking) I did not attack so that I would not take full damage, the doppleganger is not that smart...

The fight lasted about 25-30 seconds. It was my first try with a monk. My take on the Doppleganger is to use conditional skills and then DON't meet the requirements of the skill's condition. For example if the skills says 'if attacking, target takes...' then you should not be attacking when the dopple gets you with it.

I used Healing touch once and the dopple used it a few times. It SEEMED like I got more benefit from the heal. Does any one know if the Doppleganger has any attribute points in your 'primary only' attribute?

[ShazBo]

the easiest way is to take the least amount of skill into the battle. Use an interrupt skill, healing skill and a low decoy skill for your mirror Doppleganger to interrupt.

[burtonk]

Wow I did not see anyone posting the easy way to kill off you dopple. It not what you dring to the fight, its how you bring it that counts. Watch your clone closely and you will see they key, once you see it, you will smack your forehead for its so simple.



Code Monkey

[Halev]

mo/me or me/mo i haven't seena diversion orison build.
You cast a couple of smiting skills then diversion.
He has lost orison for 45 secs maybe? you don't use orison when he uses diversion (only lasts 6 secs) then just go back to attacking him and healing yourself with orison.

Yet untried but it should work but probably no bonus.

[LordMahal]

I took doppel as Ranger/monk on 14. Used:

Distracting shot (used when he casts Troll)
Bane signet (in case he uses DS)
Troll
Poison Arrow (I counter with Troll)
Whirling Defense (doppel does this second)
Winter, and 2 other beast skills.

Opens up he casts winter, I poison. Rush him, he changes to axe, negating DS. He uses Whirling, and pounds me for 15 seconds, I use bane sig, then Whirling ends... I poison, he tries Troll I use DS, whirling, and its over. He's dead in under 60 seconds, and whirling hasnt recharged. Troll is out for 20 seconds, and DS can counter it over and over. Its not the best approach Im sure, but it works.

[PAoD->Hi11Zone<-PAoD]

Hey yes i know kinda noobish qestion but wut is this all bout ur Doppleganger and how do u do it...im lil confused thanks!

[Flaming schoold bus]

Ranger and war, I think, are the easyest beat dople.
For ranger you just get a bunch of bow skills, a disruping skill and troll, move close interupt his troll and fire away.
Warior you just load up on sword skills and hack like theres no tomorrow.

~Shcoolbus~

[Mister Muhkuh]

i killed my doppleganger with my monk in about 15 to 20 secs.

i put max on smiting prayers, the rest on divine favor.

take following skill with u:

bane signet, banish, balthasars aura, symbol of wrath, frenzy, retribution, (the rest useless skills like resurrect or something)

use it like that:

use retribution before u enter arena
ur enemy will use frenzy(u shouldnt use it)
->he takes double dmg, u use balthasars aura and symbol of wrath. till he runs away he is nearly done, u take bane signet and banish and he is dead

[Lambentviper]

OK well ima W/Me, and this is the build i used.

Frenzy- obviously dont use it, let him do the work for you
Spirit Shackles- Cast it on him and let him bring down his energy.

Any kinda damage spells that require energy. Your dopple wont use them seeing as he wont have any energy due to Spirit Shackles.
I personally like Glad's Defence, Swift Chop, Cyclone Axe, Power attack, etc.

[Carinae Dragonblood]

All necro primaries and secondaries can beat the Doppel in about 10 seconds. Take ONLY these skills:

Awaken the Blood
Verata's Aura

When the battle starts, type /sit. Just watch...

[onilink]

That worked for me. I had to switch out verata's for blinding flash and defile corpse, since its a pain to get to copperhammer before ascendance.

[Arkantos]

I just beat it with my Mo/N in seconds, I was lvl 14.
10 smiting

1.Balthazars aura
2.Symbol of Wrath
3.Bane Signet
4.Smite
5.Banish
6.Chilblains

Use balths aura amd SoB first, then spam with bane sig smite and banish. DONT USE CHILBLAINS he uses it and poisons himself

[Dahl]

The Mirror uses an axe, so if you bring axe skills he can use them. You were luckly I guess.

I did the same thing, without difficulty. It's not luck, its a matter of better using your skills. Having warrior experience in PvP, I know what to use when to use it. Dopple doesn't know what he's doing, just spamming skills.

[Maxiemonster]

All necro primaries and secondaries can beat the Doppel in about 10 seconds. Take ONLY these skills:

Awaken the Blood
Verata's Aura

When the battle starts, type /sit. Just watch...

The Doppleganer doesn't even cast Verata's Aura :/

[Maxiemonster]

I'm trying to ascend as a lvl 3 Me/N, can anyone help? People say all sacrificing spells is so easy, but the Doppleganger doesn't seem to kill himself with sacrificing spell. Keep in mind my damage is very low, and so is my Health (dead in 3 hits).

EDIT: Sorry for the double post, and I mdae it ^^ Level 12 now, time to get my FoW Armor :O

[Greenfanart86]

I just put this in someone elses thread about beating their necro dopple, but, I for my necro/mesmer, had Arcane echo,chillblains,awaken the blood and order of the vampire, the rst of my skillbar was empty. Soon as the battle started, I ran up to him with my Kole's torment, started wailing on him with the stick while he was doing...Arcane echo>Awaken the blood>Order of the Vampire after he casted orders, I stepped away from him and ran around, after I saw his orders run out, I went back to wailing on him with my Staff. Just rinse and repeat. The Awaken the blood+Order of the vampire should knock him out in about 3-4 uses if I remember correctly..adding in your own damage as well of course. Still got the bonus as well, had a tiny bit les than full health, and was level 16.

[Covenant]

The nec doppelganger is a pushover.

Equip all sacrefice health skills and watch as the Doppelganger literally kills themselves.

Not much to it.


I like your strategy, though.

[wsmcasey]

I beat Doppelganger last night with my lvl 11 n/mo.


pick any attack skills. Preferably a skill that does damage but doesnt steal life. Then add healing breeze.


When the fight start cast healing breeze on yourself asap. Doppelganger doesn't use healing breeze at all.

Stay at a distance so he uses his bow all the time. press qeqeqeqeqeqeqeqeqeqeqe really fast to dodge his arrows (works very well).

cast your damage skills and reapply healing breeze when needed.

works perfectly. This could be applied to any monk primary or secondary prof.

Hope this helps someone:)

[Mournblade]

Just killed her with my ele.
+16 in earth and the rest in energy storage.
Skills: Obsidian Flame, Crystal Wave and Meteor Shower + any useless non-healing long-casting spells.

As soon as you get in she casts Meteor Shower. Get closer and hit her with Crystal Wave (106dmg ignoring armor), then run away and keep casting Obsidian Flame (118dmg per hit ignoring armor). That's about it.

I used a strategy very similar to this last night and won in about 20 seconds. I filled my bar with useless buffs (atune water, atune fire, windborne speed, etc) and while he was casting that, I cast obsidian flame and crystal wave on him while up-close meleeing him. =)

[Rok]

nevermind

[Z'HA'DUM]

i beat my monk doppelganger in 20 seconds in one go!!! i only used SoJ and balthasars aura... i couldnt believe it!!

check it out

[Age]

The nec doppelganger is a pushover.

Equip all sacrefice health skills and watch as the Doppelganger literally kills themselves.

Not much to it.


I like your strategy, though.What if you don't have these skills what other skills from quests that will do?thanks.

[TAZTG]

1.Meteor Shower
2.Imolate
3.Inferno
4.Imolate

Think he lasted 9secs at the most! :D

LOL, that was to easy.. You guys are great with the tips. I think I beat 9 Sec's. I am an E/M and I went in with Inferno, Flame Burst, Meteor Shower and the rest was Heal Other Spells. I hit Metoer, Inf. Flame Burst, he ran 2 feet and I hit Flame burst bam Dead big time.

[Tictac]

What about 55ing your doppleganger? Does he have your same armor too? If so then he wouldn't know how you use a 55 build.

[Isildur The Paladin]

how to beat a doppel under lvl 10...ele/mo

[LadyTheif]

For the ranger spites and use apply posin on the last stone works.
The monk one is the easiest.
Nero I with the sace hp I also used an ele armor of earth let him cast it to slow himself down and the last hits I used a touch spell to finsit it

[iceypain]

Anyone know a build Mes/Mo lower than level 10.

[Heerohua]

Mo/Me VS DOPPLE
------------------ Minimal effort to get the skills (no need to buy, should already have these with hardly any effort whilst doin a few quests whilst rushing to this stage of the game)

I was lv15 with droks armor

Stats were - 3 Illusion, 7 Healing, 11 Smiting
Skills were - Healing Breeze, Symbol of Wrath, Zealots Fire, Retribution, and Imagined Burdon.

How i done this: As i entered i would cast Retribution, and once i activated the first 2 pads i would cast Zealots Fire, wait for half regen of energy, cast healing breeze, go on last pad and quickly skip cinematic.
Run up to dopple and quickly cast Symbol of Wrath next to him, then Imagined Burdon, and then quickly proceed back to the ramp like area so u can run around the entire large circle of the room, cast healing breeze before it runs out, this is important. with him taking damage from attacking you, you have no need to attack back, just keep your distance as much as you can whilst using Imagined Burdon as required along side with keeping up Healing Breeze up until you can recast Symbol of Wrath, get that down next to him as fast as you can, then run again.

Not long after the second Symbol of Wrath my dopple died, easily under the 50 seconds might need to try this a few times to get use to it... just a little thing i put together on my first few monk attempts, gl with this method if you choose to use it, though i know this build aint for everybody, just figured i'd contribute.

[Ice Assailant]

All necro primaries and secondaries can beat the Doppel in about 10 seconds. Take ONLY these skills:

Awaken the Blood
Verata's Aura

When the battle starts, type /sit. Just watch...
where can you get
Awaken the Blood
Verata's Aura

[Cr@zY_UKRaiNiaN]

how to beat a doppel under lvl 10...ele/mo

Aura of Restoration (cast it before u step on a last stone)
Meteor shower (cast it right away) and move towards him after u done casting
Flame Burst or Inferno
and u can finish him off with Fireball and maybe another flame burst or inferno

try it

[kdhoney44]

Awaken the blood => Fishermen's Haven
Verata's Aura => Copperhammer Mines

[dudeofdahouse]

the mesmer doesnt work.....
he does everything you telling me before i do it. and he knows not do anything while empthy is on him.

[dudeofdahouse]

umm... sorry about what i said , i change my mind it works!!! but help breaker isnt that of a need.
THANK YOU!!!!!

[Teutonic Paladin]

Can I 55 it without Shield?

[Kaldor Meshekal]

All necro primaries and secondaries can beat the Doppel in about 10 seconds. Take ONLY these skills:

Awaken the Blood
Verata's Aura

When the battle starts, type /sit. Just watch...


Another good way, if you've been cheeky and been run to Droknar's, is to take Spiteful Spirit and other spells that cause damage when it attacks/casts. Takes about the same length of time, but SS is required, and of course no Necromancer should have that skill at that time :D

I remember the first time I did this...I was a Healer monk :eek: I say did, 'tried' is more suitable.

[nathan_frd]

omfg n00bs he is easy no stratergy needed im w/mo and i killed him in about 6 secs and thats the truth.i also did it with ele/mo in about 7 secs

[Heerohua]

omfg n00bs he is easy no stratergy needed im w/mo and i killed him in about 6 secs and thats the truth.i also did it with ele/mo in about 7 secs


lol... says the person who has killed him with the two most easiest classes to take dopple out with.. go make urself a necro or a monk and see how dopple fairs for ya.. lessi if u can take him out without any form of strategy or thinking like with the war and ele...

[FeuerFrei]

ok sorry for bringin up this thread but i really need help defeatin the dopple with my Mo/Ne..shes lv 15 and is wearing pre-searing armour(now dont flame me...im poor) i shld i go abt killin her...ive tried bringin healing breeze n 4 useless enchantments but i get whooped too quickly..i even tried prot spirit and banish but im still unable to kill....

[Neoclassic]

I am surprised no one has added to this thread for so long. With my Ranger, I took a couple of interrupting skills, and Troll Unguent. I immediately closed with the Doppleganger, which made him switch to using the axe. Thus, the only skill he could use was Troll Unguent, which I easily interrupted. The fight was over very quickly.

[Arkantos]

Im Mo/W, should I go with alot of smites and smite him or bring frenzy and healing breeze?

[B Ephekt]

lol... says the person who has killed him with the two most easiest classes to take dopple out with.. go make urself a necro or a monk and see how dopple fairs for ya.. .Um, I'm sorry but beating the necro doppleganager is ridiculously easy. I've done it twice without any problems.

[jayyayy]

Um, I'm sorry but beating the necro doppleganager is ridiculously easy. I've done it twice without any problems.

i have to second that. i killed the dopple with my mo/n at level 10 just from using sacrifices. all i had to do was watch him kill himself :)

[Synergie]

Latest update on killing ranger doppleganger. I've just killed mine in uder 10 seconds with my pet for company. In fact she killed double whilst she was casting all the rituals. Soooooo easy - and who said you couldn't take your pet? Mine came. :) lol

[Pi_Numurian]

omfg n00bs he is easy no stratergy needed im w/mo and i killed him in about 6 secs and thats the truth.i also did it with ele/mo in about 7 secsFYI it is really resy with a warrior, but as other classes that take some skill it is a difficult boss

[Toxic RD]

I have used every single method for monks you people have posted, and my level 10 monk dies every time, the ONLY succes i have ever had is using backfire, my problem is i cant find a skill set where he will use backfire, then every single spell, he alwya suses 2 before, then backfire, then kjaybe 2 or 3 more

[Archonus]

Just done it as a Me/Mo with 4 skills:

Empathy
Backfire
Orison of Healing
Scourge Healing

Points spread around in Fast Casting, Domination Magic and Smiting Prayers, no points in Healing Prayers.

Casted Backfire, Empathy and Scourge Healing as I entered. The Doppelganger killed himself rather quickly I must say. No need to strafe arrows.

This works rather well. Heres exactly what I did and I finished with half health and it took about 10-15 seconds.

I took backfire, empathy scourge healing, orison, and healing breeze..


cast healing breeze b4 you touch the last stone to begin the fight.
cast backfire -> scourge healing -> healing breeze -> empathy
now just run around him in circles and wait.

[Covenant]

Here's how you beat the Doppelganger if you're not a W/Mo tanker:

EQUIP CRAPPY SKILLS.

[NinjaKai]

Mesmer
Empathy then backfire. And a bunch of useless mantras. Strife around for a bit. Make sure they are elemental mantras. And he kills himself easily. Recast empathy then backfire when needed.

[Mature Lamb]

Can anyone help me and give me tips on how to kill the Dopple with a level 8 Mo/W. Sounds impossible, but I've heard of people lower level kill it. Any tips? :)

[warkst]

Yea, don't... Be sure to take Healing Breeze if you do, The Dopple refuses to use that skill...

[Big Tony]

I read somewhere earlier in this post that pets dont go into the fight with the Doppleganger....

Wrong!

When I fought him with my W/R last night, even the cut scene showed my pet running towards the Doppleganger. He, on the other hand, didnt have a pet so i beat him in about 15 seconds with my hammer and stalker. :cool:

Anyone else have the same experience?

[Cherno]

Tried doing the Empathy, Backfire, Hexbreaker, dodge thing and I was really having a lot of problems dodging the arrows (bastard can shoot through walls). So After a couple attempts, I just went with Empathy + Distortion. 30 seconds later it was over and he was toast.

[Exile Of Heaven]

Great Guide i think, Is it possible 2 Defeat the Doppelganger within bonus time as a lvl 13 Mo/Ne? with Scourge Sacrifice and Other sac skills?

[Stormlord Alex]

HOW TO BEAT THE DOPPELGANGER, QUICK AND EASY for Warrior, Ranger and Ele... Tried and tested by ME myself. :D

Warrior - Take Frenzy, don't use it, and pump up your weapon attributes (pref. sword or axe). If you are W/Mo, Life Attunement is useful but not necerssary (DON'T USE IT YOURSELF), as a W/N, sacrifice skills rock, W/Me could take Elemental Resistance and attack with a non-elemental weapon (or vice-versa). W/R has a pet, which is cute AND bonus damage, and W/E has... Attunement skills, that he'll waste time casting.

Though, none of that is necerssary, FRENZY IS YOUR FRIEND.

Elementalist - Simple. Pump either Water or Fire up to 16 (Water is superior here, as always :)). Take Flare/Ice Spear, and spam away. Dead in ~15 seconds with Ice Spear. Also, you may want to bring useless (in this situation) spells for it to cast - Rust, Blurred Vision, Ward Against Melee, etc.

Ranger - Pump up marksmanship, take Penetrating Shot and 7 useless Spirits (Energizing Wind, Winter, etc.) He'll go and use them, hammer at him with Shot, and he'll die fast.

Have fun kicking your double's ass. :)

[Scourage of Death]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this but for ranger......

Bring A Pet!!!!!!!!(Yes it works as of like 5 days ago....i tried it)

Bring all of your normal skills except for an interupt(or bring disupting lunge for your pet instead)

At start of fight Dobble will attack you, but as soon as you pet engages him, he will attack your pet. If you pet is lvl 20 (mine was) the pet willl last long enough (I healed it I think 1-2times), and distract him, so you can take him out easily with your skills.

Using this I killed him in about 10-15 seconds.

Good Luck,
Scourage of Death

[Forestwarrior]

Dopperlgangers only use a sertain ammount of skills so their are some skills you equip that he doesnt.
Like "Heeling Breeze" It seems to be that your dopperganger doesnt use this type of skill, and so it is very good for fighting your doppelganger since you have a better chance of surviving when you can heal.

Tip: just take 2/3 skills 1: heeling breez and 1/2 smite or attack skill so you know what your up against and its the most easy to handle ..

GL all char with monk prof. ;)

[Exile Of Heaven]

Great Guide, Ive got mine on lvl 14 with a monk with Dark Pact and Divine Boon, i was lvl 18 when i did got in Dragons Lair:)

[SincorpDeath]

Quick update. It seems that the dopple has been patched/updated so he uses healing breeze. Don't take it anymore : (

[Markaedw]

I don't know about then, but when I tried to fight my dopple as a n/mo he didn't use any of the sacc spells, I died 3 times. Then I when with a differnt strategy, I used chilblains, signet of agony, maliase, spinal shivers, plague touch, and I don't rember what the other 2 were.

I started off with chil, then palgue touch, the sig of agony, touch, he then went to malise, then touched me, I touched back, and we proceded to recycle the same plagues back and forth until he died, just at the time limit for the bonus

[Nickelocene]

All necro primaries and secondaries can beat the Doppel in about 10 seconds. Take ONLY these skills:

Awaken the Blood
Verata's Aura

When the battle starts, type /sit. Just watch...

It didn't work for me. I tried at least 10 times with only these two skills or with bunch of sacrifice skills. He doesn't cast all of them at all. And if you watch his health bar, it only dropped very little with any sacrifice skill he used. I think the percentage of health he sacrifices is different from what we suffer. However, this is just my guess.

[Nickelocene]

I'm trying to ascend as a lvl 3 Me/N, can anyone help? People say all sacrificing spells is so easy, but the Doppleganger doesn't seem to kill himself with sacrificing spell. Keep in mind my damage is very low, and so is my Health (dead in 3 hits).

EDIT: Sorry for the double post, and I mdae it ^^ Level 12 now, time to get my FoW Armor :O

Backfire at end of your skill bar, with the rest filled with enchantment skills. I did my Me last week this way. 5 seconds was all it took.

[Opeth11]

I just took down my Warrior dopple in around 10 seconds. *proud*
I picked up Frenzy, Riposte, Deadly Riposte, Retribution, Holy Wrath. Sexy. Of course, I had a high level Tactics for Ripostes :/

Monster damage!

[Chev of Hardass]

It didn't work for me. I tried at least 10 times with only these two skills or with bunch of sacrifice skills. He doesn't cast all of them at all. And if you watch his health bar, it only dropped very little with any sacrifice skill he used. I think the percentage of health he sacrifices is different from what we suffer. However, this is just my guess.

Same, he seems to only sac himself down to 10% now. I have even beaten him, but not ascended. I got the 50,000 exp and did not ascend :-(



AND when I hid behind the walls he still hits me with arrows.

Edit:

I beat him again with Order of pain, Awaken the Blood, and then Spamming Dark Pact on him.

[Englishkid]

-How to beat the doppleganger using only primary proffesion skills-


There is no need to have 100% these attributes, but try to get it as close to 12 as possible.

I did all this with my Necromancer his armor was the desert 60al collector armor, no runes or anything.
So it should be fully possible to do the same thing with any other proffesion.

And here is the link for all skill quests if you are missing any of these.
http://www.guildwiki.org/guildwars/index.php/Skill_Quests

And here the link for all normal skill merchants.
http://www.guildwiki.org/guildwars/index.p...ainer_locations


_-Monk-_

Attributes:
Smiting prayers 12+

Skills:
Smite hex
Scourge Healing
Symbol Of wrath
Holy wrath
Retribution

Put Holy wrath and Retribution on yourself before entering the mountain.
Run up to the doppleganger and unleash Symbol of wrath, then let him hit you.
He will go down before you do.


_-Necromancer-_

Attributes:
Curses 12+

Skills:
Enfeeble
Insidous Parasite
Price Of failure

Those 3 skills is all you need.
Get up close to him so he hits you with his melee weapon.
Keep casting those spells on the dobbleganger but do not attack him, he will die after some time.


_-Mesmer-_

Attributes:
Illusion 12+
Domination 12+

Skills:
Empathy
Clumsiness
Distortion

Again throw the spells on the doppleganger stand close to him and let him hit you.
Recast clumsiness when it is recharged.
Keep disortion on yourself for extra defence.


_-Elementalist-_

Attributes:
Fire magic 12+

Skills:
Flare
Firestorm
Meteor Shower

As soon as you enter the mountain target the doppelganger as fast as possible and cast Meteor shower on him.

The doppelganger will try to cast Firestorm or Meteor shower on you, when he does move out of the AoE and cast Firestorm on him.

When moving out of his AoE dont go to far, then he will move away from your AoE Spells

Keep casting Flare on him after you have casted Meteor Shower and Firestorm on him.

_-Ranger-_

Attributes:
Markmanship 12+

Skills:
All spirits you can get to that stage of the game. (Ex: Winnowing/Favorable winds)
Dual Shot

Do not cast any spirits yourself the doppleganger will stand there and waste alot of time casting them.
And when he is doing that you attack and spam him with dual shot.

_-Warrior-_

Attributes:
Weapon Skill 12+

Skills:
Frenzy

Do not use frenzy yourself, the doppleganger will spam it and that will be his doom.
Due to frenzy he will take alot more dmg from normal weapon attacks, all you need to do is hit him a few times and he is gone.


Thanks to Eolen for the idea and Karn for any skills info and help.
So if anyone else has ideas or skills that would help.
Feel free to post them here.

Credit to Original poster Varg Winterchill from Ogaming.com

[Pi_Numurian]

Here is my guide:
Warrior: Bring Frenzy and just rape him
Monk: Set stats to smite and smit the crap out of him
El: Bring A bunch of slow spells while you only pelt him with flare
Ranger:: Pet
Nec: HP Loss spells only and jus sit back
Mes: Backfire though after fighting the doppleganger it is hardest with the mes

[xploda]

I have a Mo/E and what skill shall I use to kill him?

Have tried 20 times and no sucsess...

[Ramses X]

I have tried everything to defeat him and after many, many tries still have not been able to. I'm a lvl 20 Ele/Nec and I have tried the meteor shower, fire storm, flare method but his energy level hardly moves at all. He is definitely NOT my mirror and seems much more powerful than me. If anyone has any suggestions i'm open to all...

Completely frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad:

[angshuman]

If you have a Necro primary or secondary, you can just let him sac himself to death! I tried this on my W/N and it worked like a Charm :) ... Bring lots of useless health sacrificing spells. *Don't* get Blood Renewal since this will heal him. Bring Awaken the Blood, Enfeebling Blood, Defile Flesh, etc. etc. and then sit back and watch the fun!

[knoll]

I have tried everything to defeat him and after many, many tries still have not been able to. I'm a lvl 20 Ele/Nec and I have tried the meteor shower, fire storm, flare method but his energy level hardly moves at all. He is definitely NOT my mirror and seems much more powerful than me. If anyone has any suggestions i'm open to all...

Completely frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad:

just use metor shower right away then flare just di it with me ele

[Autumn_Leaf]

I have tried everything to defeat him and after many, many tries still have not been able to. I'm a lvl 20 Ele/Nec and I have tried the meteor shower, fire storm, flare method but his energy level hardly moves at all. He is definitely NOT my mirror and seems much more powerful than me. If anyone has any suggestions i'm open to all...

Completely frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad:

ur half necro. use sacrefice skills.

i have a question.
if u bring charm animal. will the dopple have a pet also? screenies if its possible.

[Sverige614]

This has to be a new record *pride =)* and many Kudos to my guild Mistaken for Dead [RIP] for getting me there. :D:D:D:D

I took my N/Mo in to the double at level 7 with the following set-up. (set-up is close to another one posted in this thread)


Dark Pact
Awaken the Blood
Price of Failure
Insidious Parasite
Heeling Breeze
Enfeebling Blood
Defile Flesh
Rend Enchantments

3 points in Blood Magic
3 points in Death Magic
5 points in Curses
3 points in Healing Breeze

Just throw the Awaken; Price of Failure; Isidious Parasite; and start moving around casting healing breeze on yourself. Dodge as best you can his arrows, and keep yourself healed as much as possible against his arrows and dark pact. And when the time is right, (just as stated in a previous post) cast Dark on him.

I went from level 7-1% to level 13-84%

you may die a few times, just keep at it. :) I died probably 30 times trying to do it :D

*edit for typos :D

[Sverige614]

ur half necro. use sacrefice skills.

i have a question.
if u bring charm animal. will the dopple have a pet also? screenies if its possible.
I tried it and it brings in the BIGGEST bone dragon I have ever seen OMG....:confused::eek::(:eek:





Just kidding :p

No, it does not bring in a pet, and I do have screenies if you want them. :D:D

[Evilsod]

Your thinking too small.

Mo/ whatever

Get your 55 armour very early and just go attack him with prot spirit and stupidly low health.


My favourite is the spirit spammer ranger style. I let it use Fertile Season (seems all its stats are lvl12) and a few other spirits then decided to see what happened when it wore off. Safe to say we both dropped dead but i won anyway :D

You seriously shouldn't have problems with the doppelganger as E/ anything. Bring Fire Attunement along and cast it before you go in (or just don't bother) and the doppel almost always casts it at the start. Giving you plenty of time to get a meteor shower off. Then just move in with Inferno/FlameBurst/Fireball or even Mark of Rodgort :p

I remember when i fought my doppel as E/N, i spent the ENTIRE fight running round in circles using Price of Failure to kill him. That was probably the dumbest thing i've done to date... took me 7 minutes (1 attempt at least) to whittle away at his health.

[Ramses X]

Thanks for the all your help...Ascension is finally mine!!!!!

[unholy guardian]

ele is easy, just briing a bunch of junk from bonus proffesiions and max out fire and es and spam flare, i killed it in like 15 seconds

bonus ftw =)

[lord of shadow]

alternative monk method- managed on a lvl 6
retribution, ess bond, balth's spirit blessed sig, port spirit (if you have started armour- i did) healign breeze
do not attack, cycle spirit,breeze,sig, keep enchants on always
its tight but it works

[eddycurrents]

For my ranger, I maxed beast mastery, dropped everything else, brought my pet with all the pet skills I had, and let my pet do all the work. I also had a vampiric bow so I could do extra damage. Was easy.

The key to the doppelganger is generally: bring a bunch of spells that don't do damage but cause him to waste time, while you beat on him with whatever else you have. Then he starts to do the same, but you have a head start. That's what I did for my warrior and ele, and I finished in around ten seconds.

This didn't work with my ranger though... the doppelganger didn't cast spirits or preparations, except for poison (that was a problem). There were probably other ones I could have tried, but when I discovered I could bring a pet, it was problem solved.

[Theocrat]

I've been fooling around with the Doppleganger out of boredom for the past few days every time I felt the need for a Ranger-fix... I don't know if you can actually put this build together without Ascending first, but I assume something similar can be put together with a bit of point-spread.

Ferocious Strike {E}
Call of Haste
Quickening Zephyr
Favorable Winds
Edge of Extinction
Winnowing
Sybiosis
Charm Animal

Beast Master: 12 ranks
Expertise: 3 ranks
Marksmanship: 9 ranks

Pretty much any max damage bow will work I guess... I used my Poisonous Storm Bow of Marksmanship because it looks wicked and I like the 13^50 and increased Marksmanship rank chance...

Skip cutscene, Hit "C" to target, spacebar to start the assault, fire off Call of Haste, hit Ferocious Strike whenever you darn well feel like it... Doppleganger drops dead in 20 seconds or less. Can't even finish setting his spirit army...

Sometimes I wonder about his AI. Is he really that stupid, or does he just pretend to be to make us overconfident and hire runners to THK? :rolleyes:

In any case, I plan to keep killing him until he drops that super-secret uber-rare Crystalline he supposedly has ;).... I still laugh my ass off at that one sometimes... :D

[lennymon]

As of last night the spirit spamming worked fine (and on a Mo/R). So I'm really unsure of what you could have done wrong. I hear that pets ARE now going with you though, I'm glad they added that even though its totally unnecessary for a ranger, lol. Too bad I didn't know about that last night, I had told my roomate that they weren't working.... oh well he still made it first time, thanks to spirits, balths aura, reversal of fortune and breeze.


For my ranger, I maxed beast mastery, dropped everything else, brought my pet with all the pet skills I had, and let my pet do all the work. I also had a vampiric bow so I could do extra damage. Was easy.

The key to the doppelganger is generally: bring a bunch of spells that don't do damage but cause him to waste time, while you beat on him with whatever else you have. Then he starts to do the same, but you have a head start. That's what I did for my warrior and ele, and I finished in around ten seconds.

This didn't work with my ranger though... the doppelganger didn't cast spirits or preparations, except for poison (that was a problem). There were probably other ones I could have tried, but when I discovered I could bring a pet, it was problem solved.

[Aries asede]

warrior:use sword skills no axe it does very littledmg while you hack it to death

[Homicidal Brainiac]

MONKS:

It seems that ur double WON'T EVER use Healing Breeze, so here's my Ascending monk build:

Healing Breeze
Zealot's Fire
Retribution

easy as that

cast Zealot's and spam Breeze. (obviously cast Retribution b4 you go in, Zealot's too)

as Dopple won't use breeze at all, you'll kill it and hopefully get the bonus too ^^

[Blade Rez]

alternative monk method- managed on a lvl 6
retribution, ess bond, balth's spirit blessed sig, port spirit (if you have started armour- i did) healign breeze
do not attack, cycle spirit,breeze,sig, keep enchants on always
its tight but it works

Thank you very much :D

[Maedhros]

For an Elementalist, i sugger just bringing Obsidian Flame, Stoning and Stone Daggers. Bring also some defense... No doppleganger will ever use Obsidian Flame because of the exhaustion... So you can get all your defense skills on and then spam Stone Daggers, some Stoning and pitch Obsidian when possible. If you did exactly what i say here, you should have him killed withing 30 seconds.

~Maedhros