Tombs Noob

[Me NoFat]

I admit I am a noob to Tombs. I have some PvP and GvG experiance. Just seems like I never find a "good" team in the toombs.

Here is my challenge and reward. Someone .... anyone send me a pm that can make a group that will play at least 6 maps and win tombs at least one time this Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday night between 11pm and 4am CST (american centeral standard time). I have every monk skill unlocked and most Ele and W skills. I have enough faction saved up to unlock a few things if needed. If you run a team (or get me on a team) that will win HoH I will give you 5 ecto.

I don't attempt anything in the game 1/2 way and I want to learn PvP from the best. The reward can be raised if 5 ecto isnt worth it to you but that can all be worked out after contact.

I realize some of you are going to flame....be my guest....

[Me NoFat]

Ok maybe 5 ecto is a little low....how about 15 ecto

[Inureface]

The closest you'll get to what you're asking for right now is offered by this guy who runs this fame farming service, you might find him in the trade forum.

[Draeco_Smash]

hmmm odly enough this sounds like the PvP version of running....
and so it begins...

[Dmitri3]

Learn the PvP? Best bet is to find a PvP guild...
Paying for services does nothing but showing you the wrong side of the game.

[Me NoFat]

Learn the PvP? Best bet is to find a PvP guild...
Paying for services does nothing but showing you the wrong side of the game.

disagree...

We all learn everything somewhere. The service I want is not farming for fame or faction. I want to pay someone to teach me the details of HoH and team building. My post is going to be used for a foot in the door. I would like to develop a good list of skilled PvP friends. I have no problem buying my first friend (or fiend) in order to be introduced to the ranks of the top PvPrs.

As far as finding a PvP guild....not leaving LBS...

[Sergio Leone]

Toast can teach ya IWAY!

[Sir Aurik]

iway=ftl, if u want to learn pvp go to the id dists and say monk lfg(doesnt have to be high ranked)anything but iway, make sure they use ts or vent to discuss strategys(<<didnt spell that right) if they dont use voice chances are the group isnt going far :\, its not hard to learn the basics of tombs, just dont resort to iway for fame!!!

[Sayshina]

Learn the PvP? Best bet is to find a PvP guild...
Paying for services does nothing but showing you the wrong side of the game.

Err, I feel a need to point out that when I was learning how to survive in combat nobody ever suggested we just go for it and try to learn on the fly. We had instructors, months of training BEFORE we did any live fire stuff, and then we had more training, constant training, and lots and lots of running thrown in whenever we screwed up so we would associate failure with pain.

This is a game. The price for a screwup will never aproach life and death. That is why it's fine to just wing it and try to learn on the fly, BECAUSE there is no real penalty for failure.

But this is a game. So who cares how he learns? Let him do whatever he wants. Although I suspect payment for training will mostly get him a smaller bank account.

[Navaros]

Question to the OP: why do you want to win HoH, exactly? You are already quite rich, and winning a sigil will only get you 20k (if you even get one) and most other gold drops in HoH are not worth 600g. Plus you get no fame bonus for winning the HoH map.

Hence I do not understand the logic of paying someone to win HoH with you since you receive no tangible benefit in return.

If it's fame you want, "paying for winning HoH" is not the best way to get it. You could skip to HoH right after Unworthy Dead and get a whopping 1 fame point for winning HoH.

[Me NoFat]

Question to the OP: why do you want to win HoH, exactly? You are already quite rich, and winning a sigil will only get you 20k (if you even get one) and most other gold drops in HoH are not worth 600g. Plus you get no fame bonus for winning the HoH map.

Obviosly I don’t need the money from winning. I have much more than a mere 15 ecto and the money doesn’t do me much sitting around. As far as winning HoH goes….just a goal. I believe (may be wrong) that the top PvP players are the ones winning HoH so that is why I decided to add that as the target. If the best were dominating the Droks areana then I would want a consecutive win streak in that arena. I needed a target goal in order to base the reward for taking me into your already close nit of PvP friends and letting me tag along until I learn something useful and make a few contacts.

But this is a game. So who cares how he learns? Let him do whatever he wants. Although I suspect payment for training will mostly get him a smaller bank account.

Thanks...my bank account will survive:D

iway=ftl, if u want to learn pvp go to the id dists and say monk lfg(doesnt have to be high ranked)anything but iway, make sure they use ts or vent to discuss strategys(<<didnt spell that right) if they dont use voice chances are the group isnt going far :\, its not hard to learn the basics of tombs, just dont resort to iway for fame!!!

This is a useful post. Never thought about the international D's for PvP. I am sure I will get much the same with PuG's here as in PvE though.

Toast can teach ya IWAY!

Thanks Sergio….I am already hooked up with Prince and I will talk to toast….however I would like to get connected with a group that uses more intricate builds…and add some great PvP players to my friends list for future reference. I am not saying that toast and prince aren't great but they are only 2.

[Navaros]

Obviosly I don’t need the money from winning. I have much more than a mere 15 ecto and the money doesn’t do me much sitting around. As far as winning HoH goes….just a goal. I believe (may be wrong) that the top PvP players are the ones winning HoH so that is why I decided to add that as the target.

Understandable, but in that case it would be wise to re-word your offer. Because due to the wording you used: in theory a team could take you on, skip to HoH from the Unworthy Dead, and win. Or maybe after the Underworld map. Then collect their ectos from you and kick you to the curb. Which would not exactly be a good value for you. :cool:

[Me NoFat]

Understandable, but in that case it would be wise to re-word your offer. Because due to the wording you used: in theory a team could take you on, skip to HoH from the Unworthy Dead, and win. Or maybe after the Underworld map. Then collect their ectos from you and kick you to the curb. Which would not exactly be a good value for you. :cool:

Here is where my PvP noob shows through in gleaming white.

What should I ask for to accomplish the goal that I believe you all are getting from this? I was under the impression that winning HoH would take awhile and I believed that I would learn something from it. Your post makes it sound too easy. So what would the proper challenge/reward be for learning PvP?

[DC_Ross_Dark]

I could probably get you into my average team, but i'd probably have to lie about you :P. We win halls around a of 1/3 runs we do (and if not we get around 6 consecs).
The team rank varies from 8/11 but we don't normaly play with greentree tbh ^^.

[Me NoFat]

I could probably get you into my average team, but i'd probably have to lie about you :P. We win halls around a of 1/3 runs we do (and if not we get around 6 consecs).
The team rank varies from 8/11 but we don't normaly play with greentree tbh ^^.

Please don't take this wrong DC I am not yet turning you down.

What does avarage refer to in PvP?
Bad = rank 1-3
Decent = rank 3-8
Average = rank 8-11
Good = rank 11-?
Great = rank ?

Told you ... PvP noob

I would like to add that I do not fear for my skills when playing. I will however need to know what skills the build requires and why they are required for that specific build. It does me little good to read a build and then just use it. I want to understand the builds.

[Navaros]

Here is where my PvP noob shows through in gleaming white.

What should I ask for to accomplish the goal that I believe you all are getting from this? I was under the impression that winning HoH would take awhile and I believed that I would learn something from it. Your post makes it sound too easy. So what would the proper challenge/reward be for learning PvP?

Indeed this is not necessarily the case as you can skip directly to HoH from any point, even immediately after killing the Unworthy Dead ghosts.

A better thing to do would be to put some sort of "number of maps played" conditions into it. I think there are 8 maps before the HoH, and you may end up playing or skipping any number of them on the way there, even if the number you actually play is 0.

[Me NoFat]

Indeed this is not necessarily the case as you can skip directly to HoH from any point, even immediately after killing the Unworthy Dead ghosts.

A better thing to do would be to put some sort of "number of maps played" conditions into it. I think there are 8 maps before the HoH, and you may end up playing or skipping any number of them on the way there, even if the number you actually play is 0.

Edited 1st post thanks Navaros for helping me not have to spend 30 ecto by reposting after getting screwed.;)

[Yanman.be]

rank 3= knows what he's doing
rank 6= don't hesitate, he'll be ok
rank 9= ok mr. addict
rank 11 ( 12 yet? )= hello mr.god

offcourse, there are exceptions...like iway'ers...don't ask iway'ers to play e denial mesmers...coz they'll fail miserably

[DC_Ross_Dark]

well i can safely say that all the members in our team dispise iway and did not get R8/9+ with IWAY fame.

[Divine Elemental]

Correction :
I'll Help you then.

i run Complex / Weird Builds that are Fun / Win
I Can get you in To PvP,
Can You Download Ventrillo.
So Its Easier :D
Add Me
Signet Of Humility

[Me NoFat]

Ok one last time.

I am not trying to farm fame here.

I want to build a list of reliable and good PvP players....so more or less I was looking for a way to get involved with a good group of players. Even if that meant buying my initial friends.

I don't want to learn in PuGs or earn fame by having someone farm it for me.

[vancha]

Indeed this is not necessarily the case as you can skip directly to HoH from any point, even immediately after killing the Unworthy Dead ghosts.

A better thing to do would be to put some sort of "number of maps played" conditions into it. I think there are 8 maps before the HoH, and you may end up playing or skipping any number of them on the way there, even if the number you actually play is 0.

lol I always see your guild win HoH...

[Jblee]

just a tip. it's better to find players that you do not have to give them any money.

Oh, and pls..don't get used to iway...lol. I believe that you'll get better don't get used to it

[Patrograd]

The best way to learn about PVP is just to play PVP, and to read, and then read some more, and then when you've done enough reading, read some more. Oh, and play. Did I say play already? You need to have played so you understand what you are reading......

basically its about experience, which is why such a value is set by tombs groups on ranks. It has nothing to do with ability (I know plenty of outstanding PVP players who are under rank 3) and everything to do with how well you know the maps, how well you you know the kinds of builds being run, how well you understand what is expected from you in your role in tombs, which is a different form of combat to the other PVP formats.

is it worth buying that first friend? Somehow i doubt it. The really good groups are unlikely to take you because of your lack of tombs experience.

There isnt an easy way to gain the fame to get you accepted by such groups either, especially as you are unwilling to join a PVP Guild IWAY as a fame farming model is OK, but not really any better than any other organised build when all is said and done.

If it was me I would hang around my home districts in tombs looking for organised groups, not accepting blind invites, and just running with whatever organised group would have me, regardless of rank. slowly you will accumulate experience along with those fame points, and with that you will play with people who know what they are doing. add them to your firends list and play with them whenever they're online.

No quick fix to this, I think you'll get ripped off by following this path

[Sir Aurik]

lol I always see your guild win HoH...ya but they run iway so it dont count:( Their guild is "frowned upon"......

[Makkert]

ya but they run iway so it dont count:( Their guild is "frowned upon"......
IWAY in general is frowned upon. MATH runs IWAY better then most IWAY teams. As such, they have become some sort of bashingpoint for all IWAY-haters.
The best thing you can do is just beat them, and cut the trashtalk. Its not helping anyone.

This reminds me of Timmy, Johnny and Spike. If Spike can win HoH with a very simple to play build, why shouldn't he?
Or better said: why is a simple to play build like IWAY succesful?

Pressure builds that are painfully simple will always be in any diverse competitive environment (i.e. MtG: the goblin deck). The key is that there is no wrong offense, only wrong answers. And that is probably why IWAY wins still its games....

[Draeco_Smash]

Hey buddy I know your impatient... but its better to learn through experience and fun...
Sure what your doing is one way to do it I suppose... but do you really think if you pay someone, they will really be your "digital" friend??

Im a PvP noob too, "well im gettin there"
And yea the fame looks cool, and its discouraging to not have any idea WTF is going on, but trust me, go to LA... enter the CA "Combat Arena" and do random groupings....

I'm finding through my personal XP that I'm learning and making friends with good people who have insight that benefits me... And if anything anywhere has ever been true its that... knowledge gained for urself is worth ten fold knowledge u read or hear about....

And with my earlier post i was mearly pointing out where the PvP "running" started, as ppl still ask where did PvE go wrong with all the running :)

[Effendi Westland]

Shouldn't this be in the services thread?

[a cadet]

Your best bet to winning the halls is quite simple: somehow convince someone in the [MATH] guild to take you along as a W/R. (Probably easiest if you played with an inconsequential spirit like Predatory Seasons). Follow instructions on vent/ts, take advice sportingly, and you will most likely win.

Will you feel that rush of excitement everyone feels when they first win? Probably. But it wont really be the same kind of feeling you get from actually working towards your win.

Its a bit like winning the 100 meter dash on a bike. Sure, you won, but you didnt really try.

I remember when i first won the halls, i was playing a smiter. As alot of you probably remember, its was the easiest class to play at the time; all you did was maintain certain enchantments and then spam certain buttons. Winning was great, but it was literally nothing compared to winning when you had a more active role in the group. Not to sound snobbish, but winning the halls now has lost alot of its former excitement for me. It no longer feels as 'good' because ive been playing tombs so much. But winning every now and then when playing a key character like an infuser (monk), still evokes that feeling of success. Just a slight caution, i guess.

[Sir Aurik]

Your best bet to winning the halls is quite simple: somehow convince someone in the [MATH] guild to take you along as a W/R. (Probably easiest if you played with an inconsequential spirit like Predatory Seasons). Follow instructions on vent/ts, take advice sportingly, and you will most likely win.

Will you feel that rush of excitement everyone feels when they first win? Probably. But it wont really be the same kind of feeling you get from actually working towards your win.

Its a bit like winning the 100 meter dash on a bike. Sure, you won, but you didnt really try.

I remember when i first won the halls, i was playing a smiter. As alot of you probably remember, its was the easiest class to play at the time; all you did was maintain certain enchantments and then spam certain buttons. Winning was great, but it was literally nothing compared to winning when you had a more active role in the group. Not to sound snobbish, but winning the halls now has lost alot of its former excitement for me. It no longer feels as 'good' because ive been playing tombs so much. But winning every now and then when playing a key character like an infuser (monk), still evokes that feeling of success. Just a slight caution, i guess.like i told him before... Dont resort to iway....