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[imnotyourmother]

I sure hope that this thread is in the right place. If it is not thank you to the moderator that moved it.

Ok I play presearing 90% of the time and after making over 150K this weekend there and buying everything that I ever needed in pre I decided to go and do something that I have never done before...Alliance Battles.

My guild does it so I thought that I would tag along with my ranger. I get killed a lot in post so dying was a sure option it was staying alive that I wanted to do.

I like ranger and trappers since there are people running every where. So I go to set a trap and then ZAP I get interrupted. I try another one since my build has 3 of them..ZAP interrupted. SO then after taking damage I hit Troll Ungent..you guessed it ZAP..and I'm dead in 2 maybe 3 seconds.

So I head to the guild wars wiki for anti-interrupted skills. There is an ELITE Ranger skill. So I do some RB to get faction - not realizing I was getting faction even when I was dead - so that I can unlock the elite skill. I then go and get the Elite tome and unlock it on my ranger and head to the guild hall and go ABing again.

So I wait back as the Asses and war run and start to kill stuff and then Hit my Stance for 18 seconds no interrupts and go about setting a trap - ZAP interrupted. I am like I just spend 3 hours between Rb and getting the skill unlocked and finding someone with an elite skill tome for ranger and farming the 8K needed to buy it and it says not easily interrupted and I am interrupted.

I am like that is the shitiestess skill there ever was for an elite. Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Red engine .....


So my question is: How do I avoid this. Do I need to get the skill that would only give me "the next 1 spell interrupted" or what?? The recharge on that is 20 seconds. How am I going to live with asses killing me?

What would I do with a brain if I had one?

[Covah]

I like ranger and trappers since there are people running every where. So I go to set a trap and then ZAP I get interrupted.

Traps are highly interuptable as it says in their skill description. Someone wanding you will interupt you. Don't be bad and trap, try using the AB builds on PvXwiki or something to start out.

[Shayne Hawke]

So I guess you were using [[Trapper's Focus]? If so, the traps shouldn't have been easily interrupted, so someone was using a skill against you to interrupt them normally.

I don't play AB much, but I don't think of it as the place where Traps would be very good. Go back to PvX and pick one of the meta Ranger builds with Cripshot, Melandru's, BA, or any of the other bow attack elites that are favored these days.

Also, use a PvP character, unless you've already spent unreasonably huge amounts of money decking out your PvE character for PvP.

[imnotyourmother]

So basically my question is..

The ELITE is for not being interrupted and yet..I get interrupted. What is the point of this Elite skill? Is it just me that thinks this is stupid?

Have I messed something in the description of the spells? Why and how do they interrupt me when I have that stance on??? I can see if they remove my stance sure but COME ON. that is the stupidest thing that I have ever seen.

So basically if there is an assassin around all trapping skills including the ELITE are junk cause they interrupt anyway right through an elite?

This means that if I see a ranger/Necro that they are all running the same builds basically and there is no creative builds that are effective because the skills are either nerfed or never worked right in the first place?

And i guess that I could also say that if you want to kill stuff you have to be an Assassin and get Factions campaign. I can see this helping out the sales of factions as that is the only way to make an assassin but come on..

[HawkofStorms]

Yeah, as Covah said, "easily interrupted" in traps skill descriptions means that anybody hitting you with anything interrupts your traps. Its a unique thing only to traps.

The skill you were using was probably Trapper's Focus. http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Trapper%27s_Focus . It only prevents your skills from being EASILY interrupted, by being wanded, etc. You can still be interupted by interupt skills or knockdowns.

Now, if you really want to trap and have a no interuption skill, I suggest you become a Ranger/Mesmer and use the non elite skill, Mantra of Resolve. http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mantra_of_Resolve It prevents any type of interuption for 70 seconds, so long as you don't run out of energy and at the cost of losing energy every time you are interupted.

Edit: Also, no, assassins are far from the only class that can "kill stuff." Trust me, just adjust your build a bit and you'll be fine.

[Eragon Zarroc]

what elite skill did u unluck? lol. and trap's are easy to interrupt, regular hits interrupt em. there are also skills which have the effect of interrupting skills, that could be what got ur troll ungent. if ur setting traps, u want to put them in a place where someone will likely run in the near future and not try to lay them in the midst of battle.

[xron]

when you were using the elite and still were interrupted.... that's because someone used something like distracting shot, which will interrupt most skills if hit while activating.

As said above, trapping isn't usually a good idea in AB

[xron]

So basically my question is..

The ELITE is for not being interrupted and yet..I get interrupted. What is the point of this Elite skill? Is it just me that thinks this is stupid?



The elite makes it so that normal attacks won't interrupt you, but an interrupt skill such as distracting shot, savage shot, distracting blow, several mesmers ones whose names escape me etc.... will still interrupt you.

Plus it only makes traps so that they're harder to interrupt...so it won't effect troll unguent

[Omgopolis]

Trapping is pretty fun for AB, but it usually isn't going to guarantee a win like running a balanced build would. Usually when I did trapper teams I'd take whirling defense and trapper's speed(?) for stances. Use trapper's speed when you're trapping cap points and no one is around, and use whirling defenses when you start to get interrupted.

Also, try laying down a dust trap first, so pesky melee guys get blinded right away if they try to attack you.

[Vel]

I believe this belongs to Q&A Section.

But, let me help u out of your dilemma. Easily interrupted means, if somebody just manages to hit you (like wanding, hitting you with a sword, dagger, axe, spear etc. without actually using any interrupting skills), you will be interrupted. That was what happening to you first time before you got the elite skill.

After you got the elite skill, you were getting interrupted by the people who were using interrupting skills against you.

Understood?

Trapping is easy in AB, whether its effective or not is a separate question. If you want to trap, use [Trapper's Speed] & [Trapper's Focus] together. To make sure your traps can't be interrupted you can you [Mantra of Resolve], mesmer skill by using Me as secondary profession but, it had a huge energy cost at times and mostly unnecessary if you know what you are doing w/ Trapper's Speed and Focus. Also, do know that even if you have mantra of resolve you can be interrupted by knockdowns by skills like Shock, hammer bash etc.

Its best to trap the shrine that belongs to your team. And sometimes enemy shrines too when enemies are distracted. That said, I have never played trapper in AB even when I have max Luxon and almost max Kurz titles. It would be best to take trapping advice from people who actually used traps there.

Goodluck!

[imnotyourmother]

Well I think that this trapper building stuff is useless and cost me 3 hours of my life that I will never get back.

At the rate of 3 seconds being interrupted 4 times is enough to drive you insane. Now trapping the shrine that shounds like a reasonable idea only of there are enough foes there to take it down then I am already dead and so is everyone else for that matter.

I do not mind dying cause I still get faction points and can not be considered a leecher as it took someone 4 seconds to kill me ever 20 seconds or so. Just make the game very frustration for someone that as I said plays in presearing cause skills and stuff do not do what they say they do.

I am not complaining I am just stating the facts. If I went ranger I think I might go necro secondary. Make myself bleed for 25 seconds and plague touch someone else for a change.

Atleast that way I can spread some damage around or go Hammer bash but you do not get adren unless you actually hit something and blindness does not help matters.


It seems like if I can just find a way to stay alive and tank for 1-2 minutes my team mates would kills things as I distract and absorb damage from others. It aggravates me me when I see myself being hit for 80+ damage and I do 6.

[Jensy]

Honestly, you'd be much more useful to your team by being an annoying, interrupting bastard :D

[Burning Arrow][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot][Apply Poison][Natural Stride][Sloth Hunter's Shot][Troll Unguent][Mending Touch]

^ Something along those lines would be far more useful.

[Um Yeah]

Well I think that this trapper building stuff is useless and cost me 3 hours of my life that I will never get back. QQ

Just make the game very frustration for someone that as I said plays in presearing cause skills and stuff do not do what they say they do.

I am not complaining I am just stating the facts.
The skills do what they say they do, you just can't read very well.

[Vel]

Well I think that this trapper building stuff is useless and cost me 3 hours of my life that I will never get back.
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Do you realize that the time you spent in making the post is also gone and you won't get it back? I thought you were looking for some help & explanation when I responded to your post.

I am not complaining I am just stating the facts. If I went ranger I think I might go necro secondary.
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Hmm seems like you are actually complaining and not really ready to listen to what other people have to say.

It aggravates me me when I see myself being hit for 80+ damage and I do 6.
Maybe it's time to get a different game? :D

That said, look up on wiki, try out builds there (unchanged) after reading how to play the build before deciding on what is good or bad.

[moriz]

hmm, you were playing a ranger, and you were dying once every 20 seconds, AND it took someone only 4 seconds to kill you? you're doing something seriously wrong.

[ZeusTheGiant]

Also, use a PvP character, unless you've already spent unreasonably huge amounts of money decking out your PvE character for PvP.


Most people do not understand this and they use their pve char for pvp. The only char that i have decked out for pvp is my war. I personally mostly use axe so i have zealous, vamp, sunder, icy, fiery, ebon, shocking, piercing fully modded as well as shields for blind, crip, poison, -5/20%, -2 stance. Yet alone my armor is fully modded too.

to anyone that thinks this is cheap it is not. It does some what depend on the armor such as basic, elite, ob. then for the weapon sets it depends on the rarity of the skin and what not. basically it could cost any where from 100k on the cheapest side to multi millions.

My setup is some where near a million+ or so. This is including couple types of armor, axes, shields, and mods. Right now I am only set up for axe but hope to invest enough money to step in to swords and hammers some more.

If you make a pvp char all of this is "free". Free is in quotes because you have to take the time to unlock the skills and weapon mods. If you are going to go for the basic setup any ways i wouldnt even bother and i would just use a pvp char.

In other words if you dont want to spends hundreds if not millions plat then just make a pvp char. Easy and adjustable for the current build in use.

[street peddler]

just copypaste from wiki. it sounds like you dont have a clue.

[DarkFlame]

Just make the game very frustration for someone that as I said plays in presearing cause skills and stuff do not do what they say they do.

That's pretty much your problem. There are only so many skills available in Pre and only so many things you can do. You're stuck in that play style, where there are no interrupts, foes are ridiculously weak with crap AI and you hardly ever encounter other players.

Pre is nice and all, but you have to realize its an early tutorial. AB is not. Go play some more of the rest game.

[Esprit]

Sounds like a number of problems you might have, I'll list some:

1) If you play 90% in Pre-Sear, do you have max armor on the character you are playing?
2) Trapping teams really only work in AB in certain places, mainly bridge trapping in Kanaai and Ancestral, and even then it's a gimmick build.
3) Trapping solo is pretty silly because one monk can out heal your damage, maybe not even a monk is needed. If you are not team trapping and you still want to trap, take Snare or Barbed Trap for snare annoyance.
4) You aren't trapping correctly (not taking Trapper's Focus and/or Trapper's Speed).
5) If your 'skills and stuff' do not do what they say they do, maybe you are remember the PvE version. Some Ranger skills are different in PvP. The skill will say in parentheses if it is a PvP skill.

[Shayne Hawke]

Well I think that this trapper building stuff is useless and cost me 3 hours of my life that I will never get back.

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Just make the game very frustration for someone that as I said plays in presearing cause skills and stuff do not do what they say they do.

You made the mistake of not reading the skills correctly and not understanding the game mechanics. I don't think that would be hard for someone claiming to spend most of their time in pre-Searing where many types of skills and game challenges are left out.

I am not complaining

Yes, you are.

It seems like if I can just find a way to stay alive and tank for 1-2 minutes my team mates would kills things as I distract and absorb damage from others.

Implying that you want to tank in PvP tells me that you either don't do it much or don't do it well. Tanking isn't helpful in PvP. You might be able to get away with it in stuff like AB, but good players don't bother fighting the tank in battles against teams.

[Snow Bunny]

[trapper's focus] does not prevent interruption from [savage shot]

[Aldric]

Only ever seen a trapper once in AB but he died a fair bit and wasnt much use to his team.

[Incendiary Arrow]/[Burning Arrow]/[Melandru's Shot] based builds are alot more fun and useful for AB. I usually ran (been a while since i AB'd) one of these with [Distracting SHot][Savage Shot][Hunters Shot][Apply Poison][Natural Stride][Troll Unguent][Mending Touch]

[illidan009]

That's pretty much your problem. There are only so many skills available in Pre and only so many things you can do. You're stuck in that play style, where there are no interrupts, foes are ridiculously weak with crap AI and you hardly ever encounter other players.

Pre is nice and all, but you have to realize its an early tutorial. AB is not. Go play some more of the rest game.
AB is like presearing for PvP...but yes of course presear is much easier than playing other players.
And WOW just WOW OP, seriously stop the freakin QQ. This is the worst serious non troll QQ I've read in a while. Skills DO perform the way they should consistently, just because you got Trapper's Focus doesn't mean that they can't dshot your traps and kill you with Burning Arrow. Try some of the builds posted earlier, like that Burning Arrow one would be a good start in AB. I don't mean to be rude/troll but reading your QQ posts and complaining about something YOU'RE doing wrong just pissed me off.

[BoondockSaint]

look is sounds like you are fairly need to pvp and thats fine but it you want to stay alive and contribute to your team then you need to start with the basics AND accept the fact that builds you try to come up with will generally suck without the experience.

Alot of people have given you good advice as to were to start but just so you know, start here.... http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Check out the build section for rangers. Also take note of WHY the build works, that is perhaps the most important part. AB in my opnion, is a good place to begin to learn pvp because it is fun.

Also yes trapping is terrible in ab. Unless you are doing it for the lol or gimic then there are other builds that are much better.

Finally, ask your guild for help, if they know a little bit about ab and want to win then that is perhaps your best resorce.

[MasterSasori]

You need to rethink your PvP tactics. There is a stick on how to play ranger. Start from there. Then go steal some builds from PvX wiki. After that, make your own builds.

If you want to learn to PvP, better to start with RA than AB. There you do find some good ppl at PvP to play against.

[elk]

while it seems that you're getting poked and prodded here (folks should be picking up on the 90% presear), the trapping in AB isn't completely terrible (not the best options for you either but it can work).

Path trapping is great, especially if the map has a "pattern" for capping shrines. Same goes for mobbing. You can also plow shrines as well. May not be the most effective thing but slowing down cap groups or mobs has it's advantages.

As others have eluded to, skills that prevent interruption like [mantra of resolve] can work (a lot of ranger stances will do the trick most of the time - [whirling defense], [lightning reflexes] etc.)

granted folks aren't the biggest wiki fans but here are a quick couple I found that appeared fine

smoke trap build: [build=OggjcxYc4MBblTyZ58YKO/6kL] (you won't need a rez for AB so can take something like [troll unguent] etc)

oathshot trapper:[build=OggjcxYc4MCnKjyJ58Y4O9ykL]
personally I've always been a fan of oathshot trapping or spirit builds (which includes Rit spirits). It's usually a good way to refresh and start again. Again, same thing as the build above, don't need the rez and take another utility skill like [troll unguent]

didn't see a great trapper's focus build but trapper's speed and trapper's focus along with a few traps and a block stance or two will be fine in most cases.

as for the AB aspect, don't worry too much about deaths there. It does add to the score total but there's no dp and you rez relatively quick so go out and experiment until you start picking it up (ask your guildies and alliance mates for hints/tips/help too).

g/l

elk

[_Nihilist_]

AB is full of builds that can FUBAR a Trapper pretty quickly.

The main thing to remember is that unless you can avoid getting hit, your traps are going to be interrupted. As a Trapper, it's better to stay a few steps ahead of the group you are trying to harass, because that is what you will be doing. You need to lay your traps and get out, moving to the next area and then leaving before the group catches up to you.

Trapping major pathways works best, as well as trapping shrines that you control that might be attacked soon. Otherwise, you're better off running a Bow Ranger and spiking targets with attacks.