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Hodgie
May 22, 2008, 06:52 AM
Hey, i have been wanting an IAS (increase attack speed) on my ranger for while i cant seem to find a good 1, apart from lightning reflex's :S
anyone i was gonna ask are there any better ranger 1's or if not which 1 from another proff do you reccomend?
Thanks
Hodgie
Cebe
May 22, 2008, 07:03 AM
[Rapid Fire]
But you have to use it instead of a more important preparation.
How about [Dwarven Stability] + [Lightning Reflexes]?
A Ranger isn't all about DPS though, which is why Ranger builds can often get away with having no IAS.
Longasc
May 22, 2008, 07:05 AM
There are few situations where RaO or the Sunspear skill work, so you are right, you are stuck with Lightning Reflexes. My personal choice, too.
I guess you ask more for PvE, so I would rather suggest an Essence of Celerity than using Frenzy or Flail or something like that.
It does not really pay off, I suggest you take a Flatbow or Shortbow instead of a Longbow/Recurve. If you do not use Barrage, try Rapid Fire, it is great, as it is a Preparation, not a stance, but also increases attack speed.
Many Ranger skills have activation times. Make use of that. You can use all interrupts, like Savage Shot, Distracting Shot and Penetrating/Sundering Attack to quickly chain some attack skills.
E.g. use Glass Arrows, a Conjure, + Triple Shot, Dual Shot, Lightning Reflexes and Savage Shot/Distracting Shot and finish off with Needling Shot below 50%.
blue.rellik
May 22, 2008, 07:14 AM
I'd probably say [Drunken Brawler] but it applies to any profession. Though if I wanted a IAS for a ranger, it would be because I'm not using a bow
Pyro maniac
May 22, 2008, 07:36 AM
why would you need an IAS in the first place?
Super Igor
May 22, 2008, 07:37 AM
Its gud.
Imo, either [lightning reflexes] or [never rampage alone]. :)
Luminarus
May 22, 2008, 07:48 AM
If you dont mind forcing ur secondary to /w then [flail] is good. I run that on all my ranger bow builds where I want an IAS.
Rothan Celt
May 22, 2008, 07:50 AM
Flail works nice :)
Or try what
Cele beaver said
zling
May 22, 2008, 07:55 AM
depends on your build...
RaO is the best pure Ranger IAS by far, but than its elite and thus only used in Thumper/Spear Chucker builds...
Tiger's Fury used to be a nice IAS(even for Warriors) but than it got nerfed a bit, but it's still solid. only problem is that it's in the Beast Mastery line...
Rapid Fire is a good choice if using a non-Barrage bow build. however if you're in a R-Spike build or whatever than Read the Wind will be your preparation of choice...
Flail works nicely if you dont use your secondary profession.
and I wont even start with all the PvE only skills and consumables...
Orange Milk
May 22, 2008, 08:15 AM
I think you mean Drunken Master Blue.relic
And it's nice because it lasts forever, depending on you Dwarf rank. It's "ok" sober, much better drunk.
But if you have High Dwarf rank then, yes, the Dwarven stability/Lightning Reflexes is better. Depending on you expertise you should be somewhere areoun 16-20 secs with max Dwarf and this combo allows for 75% block.
I'm not big on Flail becasue its in the Strength Attribute line and therfore only 5 secs, with Drwaren Stability is longer, and with Barrage easy to maintain, but I'm not a fan.
With bow no IAS is really needed, with other weapons they typically work better in combo with a pet and then you RaO or NRA as a standard part of the build.
The Arching Healer
May 22, 2008, 08:22 AM
why would you need an IAS in the first place?
Turret Pwnage :P for any other build ranger dont need an IAS.
eximiis
May 22, 2008, 08:39 AM
You could also eat a slice of pumpkin pie !!! yum
Mark Nevermiss
May 22, 2008, 08:52 AM
IAS is needed sometimes and sometimes not. On one of my 2 rangers I use [flail] and [lightning reflexes] as cover stance. [flail] with a short bow = machine gun.
If you are running like Splinter Barrager then I wouldn't take an IAS.
SnipiousMax
May 22, 2008, 10:29 AM
I like [lightning reflexes] cause it can be used as a Block when you are in trouble or an IAS when things are peachy. The key to using a ranger is getting the most out of each skill, so using skills that serve a number of functions is usually best. Using [Dwarven Stability] is good but.... You've now devoted two skills to an IAS when your DPS isn't gonna be that great anyway. I wouldn't use that combo unless you had some quirky scythe or hammer build.
Alternatively, [Drunken Master] is a decent one, due to the long duration.
Tyla
May 22, 2008, 10:30 AM
Flail, Lightning Reflexes, Dwarven Stability.
Although on a ranger you shouldn't need an IAS.
Age
May 22, 2008, 04:48 PM
You could always run Tiger's Fury but like other said you don't need one.
Adja1005
May 22, 2008, 04:54 PM
Dwarven Stability + Lightning Reflexes is the best choice to take, why? You get an increased duration to LR that serves as an IAS and a defensive skill. So if things go awry and you find melee characters are up in your face you can keep up a lengthy 75% block against them. Its also a stance so you can still take a preperation with you.
The disadvantage to Flail in my opinion is the /W secondary which means no Mending Touch.
Stormlord Alex
May 22, 2008, 05:03 PM
The disadvantage to Flail in my opinion is the /W secondary which means no Mending Touch. Why do you need Mending Touch in PvE, anyway? The condition removal on hero/hench healers is sufficient for when it matters, generally.
Teh [prefession]-zorz
May 22, 2008, 05:05 PM
Flail is pretty good.
Adja1005
May 22, 2008, 05:11 PM
Why do you need Mending Touch in PvE, anyway? The condition removal on hero/hench healers is sufficient for when it matters, generally.
True but i like the skill on my bar, i guess its the security knowing i can definately remove conditions if hero/hench monks die. And if in a PUG theres no guarantee the monk will take/be effective at removing conditions. Its just a personal preference i have, others dont have to do it lol.
Hugh Manatee
May 22, 2008, 05:23 PM
If you can afford the energy and don't mind uglying up your bow, there's that IAS weapon spell [weapon of aggression], with a zealous bow to swap into and decent expertise it should be manageable. But then you can't get great dwarf, splinter, nightmare or any of the other fun weapons on you and you can't use the conjured elements.
I like IAS on a ranger when I'm focusing on interrupts, can't tell you how many times I've screwed rangers up with stuff like faintheartedness.
Age
May 22, 2008, 05:44 PM
Dwarven Stability + Lightning Reflexes is the best choice to take, why? You get an increased duration to LR that serves as an IAS and a defensive skill. So if things go awry and you find melee characters are up in your face you can keep up a lengthy 75% block against them. Its also a stance so you can still take a preperation with you.
The disadvantage to Flail in my opinion is the /W secondary which means no Mending Touch.
There is always [antidote signet].
Tyla
May 22, 2008, 10:29 PM
[mending touch] can also be used on allies, and removed any two conditions.
Orange Milk
May 23, 2008, 09:46 AM
and Mending Touch is effected by expertise because it's "touch" so it's really cheap, and it add's a bit of healing
SnipiousMax
May 23, 2008, 01:44 PM
Truth be told, about the only condition that you really need to remove on demand is blind (for a ranger). Everything else in PvE can be powered through. So [Antidote Signet] is a perfectly fine replacement.
Adja1005
May 23, 2008, 09:22 PM
[mending touch] can also be used on allies, and removed any two conditions.
This is exactly why i love this skill to be on my bar, removing two conditions is always better than removing 1 or none at all. While things like bleeding arent immediatly as problematic as blind its still good to remove it so monks have less pressure put on them.
Not to mention like you said, it can be used on allies which is great if say your Monks or Eles have been dazed.
shru
May 24, 2008, 09:15 PM
in PvP, I don't use a IAS on bow ranger, as there are no bow DPS builds left. Obviously this doesn't take into account packhunter/thumper, when [rampage as one] is the obvious choice.
for PvE, I'll slot in [drunken master] if I'm short a PvE skill, because the skill has no downside, but I'll switch to [rapid fire] for my only bow build in actual need of an IAS, my "Save Yourselves" ranger.
Although I have a few non bow builds that use [lightning reflexes]+[dwarven stability] and [flail] to decent effect.
In general, bows have little use for higher attack speeds as they benefit little from the dps or higher adrin gain, but rangers utilizing other weapons have a good set of skills to choose from and reap higher rewards for their investment in said skills.
EDIT:
On the subject of [Mending touch] vs. [antidote signet], I'd take neither in PvE as your healers should be able to clean your conditions, and in PvP, I'd take mending touch when ever I have a free secondary, as it requires no investment and offers greater versatility. Although antidote is not a bad choice when you're forced to run something other than /mo, as blind should be your primary concern when it comes to conditions.
Luminarus
May 24, 2008, 09:33 PM
Another I just remembered I use is:
[Lightning Reflexes][You Move Like A Dwarf][On Your Knees], only prob is a) warrior secondary needed b) Rather energy intensive, using ymlad on recharge c) melee range needed.
On the other hand, it works well with [A Touch Of Guile] since they are adjacent & knocked down.
MasterSasori
May 26, 2008, 10:57 AM
[flail] and [lightning reflexes]
You don't really need IAS as a ranger. What you need is interrupts.
Melek
May 26, 2008, 11:59 AM
[flail] and [lightning reflexes]
You don't really need IAS as a ranger. What you need is interrupts.
No reason you can't have both an IAS and interrupts on the same bar though :)
[Flail] and [lightning reflexes] are definitely the best options for an IAS as a ranger.
C2K
May 26, 2008, 12:01 PM
[flail] and [lightning reflexes]
You don't really need IAS as a ranger. What you need is interrupts.
And degen. Degen makes up for the rangers slow Attack Speed while you interrupt.
Hodgie
May 26, 2008, 12:29 PM
Thanks for ALL the comments you guys have given, it was sooo many more then i expected. Again thanks all :)
I have gone with RaO becuase ive gone with the good old bunny thumper :)
Keyser Soze
May 26, 2008, 12:45 PM
on my PvE ranger i sometimes us [frenzy]
yes it is a poor skill sometimes but i find that on my ranger the enemy is attacking the warrior up front, or if they go for me they quickly change to the monk. also a MM helps for target cover
Stormlord Alex
May 26, 2008, 12:56 PM
yes it is a poor skill No it isn't.
Frenzy is one of the best skills in the whole game.
Mitchel
May 26, 2008, 12:58 PM
and Mending Touch is effected by expertise because it's "touch" so it's really cheap, and it add's a bit of healing
Don't think so, the skill description reads Spell. Vamp Touch/Bite work because they are skills, in case you confused it with that.
Pyro maniac
May 26, 2008, 01:03 PM
Don't think so, the skill description reads Spell. Vamp Touch/Bite work because they are skills, in case you confused it with that.touch spells also are affected by expertise (rending touch as well). it may be a bug, however try it. mending touch costs 2 energy ..
Mitchel
May 26, 2008, 01:22 PM
touch spells also are affected by expertise (rending touch as well). it may be a bug, however try it. mending touch costs 2 energy ..
:O Thanks for clearing that up for me!
MasterSasori
May 26, 2008, 06:44 PM
on my PvE ranger i sometimes us [frenzy]
yes it is a poor skill sometimes but i find that on my ranger the enemy is attacking the warrior up front, or if they go for me they quickly change to the monk. also a MM helps for target cover
Ummm...
[frenzy]> 95% skills in GW
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