Shiro'ken Farming

[Dan Backblade]

Shiro'ken farming.

Watch and learn.

http://files.filefront.com/danshirokenavi/;5452682;;/fileinfo.html
better dl spot thx to guildie:
http://terpstra.ca/danshiroken.avi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prCN-sRehQ4


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/poilkioi/danshiroken.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/poilkioi/danshiroken2.jpg


Build:

Spirit Bond
Protective Spirit
Sympathetic Visage
Ancestor's Visage
Balthazar's Spirit
Essence bond

use no or low AL armor and enchanting weapon

new info: don't use wand or staff because then the sins do shadow shroud on you!

[TheMadKingGeorge]

looks liek a Soj 600 or 55 hp build with a vissage becuase they do songs of mists -20 dmg dont know if a 55 could handle that


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[Xiaxhou of Trinity]

Is fast casting really needed? To avoid interrupts......What about using mantra of resolve or even distortion? I would like to try as monk primary. Nice build BTW. George you're pretty much right, except not SoJ. I won't tell, I'm guessing that Dan wants you to watch the movie

[Dan Backblade]

Correct on the 55hp that doesn't work well.
600 health is not needed because spirit bond triggers before PS.

Monk/Mesmer works too but is a bit harder, mantra of resolve gets removed by those assassin's wild strike.

[johan the destroyer]

Im downloading the video now. Looks like a very nice way to get experience too. if that +464 xp is from 1 kill, then think about hundreds...

[Dan Backblade]

I used a double xp scroll there :o

[TheMadKingGeorge]

looks liek a better way to get money from farming that as elona is sucking and aberstone quite boring and slow

still

[TheMadKingGeorge]

seems to be having trouble downloading it :(

The file you were attempting to download is invalid. Either it is not available for download or it doesn't exist.

If you need help starting your download, please contact

anyoen want to shed light on the build it looks impressivebut im still guessing a smite build

[Dan Backblade]

main things:
spirit bond and protective spirit to stay alive (with low or no armor)
sympathetic visage and/or ancestor's visage for the kill

[johan the destroyer]

Well, its still a lot of XP without a double xp scroll. Anyway, about the download. It went about halfway then went straight down to 0 kbps. I ended the download, tryed doing it again, and it said invalid file. Try uploading it again? Or posting the build here?

[TheMadKingGeorge]

ahhhh fammin kills them they kill themselves with there own spirit

[TheMadKingGeorge]

some body suggested using a dual fammin build for uw with a 55 monk using both vissages

[Sol_Vie]

I can't download it. Filefront says the file could not be found. =\

I want to watch it! =(!

[Dan Backblade]

Added the build, for the ones that have problems dl'ing :)

[TheMadKingGeorge]

thanks but only 6 skills ? im sure theres 8 slots :P

anywya i already have 15 al armor those skills on my monk so max prot and max illusionary im guessing does it matter what health i use ??

[Dan Backblade]

health is not that important, as long as its not extremely low

the 2 slots are free to do whatever you want with, I didn't need them

[Alexi Jotun]

Would you like to give us a location? Btw, nice build ;)

[MrGuildBoi]

i dont get it, how are you killing them? you have no offensive spells? like soj or anything.

[MrGuildBoi]

Would you like to give us a location? Btw, nice build ;)

I believe it's outside of the Harvest Temple.

[thrashbasket]

i dont get it, how are you killing them? you have no offensive spells? like soj or anything.
that confused me for a bit too, then i noticed what elite a bunch of the mobs use.

[DeathandtheHealing]

famine~

the rangers use it

when your energy drops to zero u take X dmg

thus the 2 visages

i'll have to watch the video ^_^

[Kakumei]

Oh my god this is amazing.

I can't go very far, though. I can kill all the Shiro'ken up to the shrine, but anything beyond there kills me. No matter, I've already got two Golden Mauls and a crapload of white drops, netting me plenty of money.

[DeathandtheHealing]

Oh my god this is amazing.

I can't go very far, though. I can kill all the Shiro'ken up to the shrine, but anything beyond there kills me. No matter, I've already got two Golden Mauls and a crapload of white drops, netting me plenty of money.

huh so what is the build me/mo? or is it a mo/me

[Kakumei]

huh so what is the build me/mo? or is it a mo/me

I'm running Mo/Me. Prot Spirit, Spirit Bond, AV, SV, Essence Bond, Balth Spirit, Mantra of Resolve. The only thing I ever have to worry about is Shroud of Silence from the Assassins, but once I get in there and get a Visage off they run out of energy to use that.

[ChrisCo]

Sounds really cool now i gotta get my mes there. But is it a 55 build or normal health ?

... could u reupload the vid cause it doesnt seem to be working

[scrinner]

"Please wait while the download server is contacted..."

Filefronts been saying that for the last 10 minutes. Rapidshare please :D

[Kakumei]

No need for a video. It's really straightforward.

Standard Spirit Bonding build: lowest armor you can find, lots of health (I'm at 575), maintain Essence Bond and Balth Spirit, when you run into enemies spam Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond. Cycle Ancestor's Visage and Sympathetic Visage; the Shiro'ken Rangers' Famine spirits will make them kill themselves.

Look out for Shroud of Silence, but that's the only roadblock I can see, and if you time your PS/SB properly, it's no problem. If you're Monk primary, put in Mantra of Resolve to avoid those interrupts.

[Dien]

Omfg nice =D gonna test it rigt away

[RuPee]

haha nice. using the spirits of the enemy against them. i would've never thought about this. awesome job.

[themickman]

the shiro'ken rangers use famine which makes you take damage whenever your energy reaches zero. sympathetic and ancestor's visage causes massive energy loss on the shiro'ken, so they take damage from their own spirit . . .

[Livingston]

Would this work in Raisu explorable?

Livingston

[RuPee]

hmm.. im not sure about raisu explorable. the mobs tend to have mesmers and necros in it. maybe SB might help? but that would need some points in divine favor to work.

[Kakumei]

Would this work in Raisu explorable?

Livingston

No. Arcane Languor, Diversion, and the constant degen from poison, Images of Remorse, and such simply murder you. Diversion being the major culprit; with a 10s recharge, Spell Breaker can't do much to it.

[llsektorll]

nice... i can see this working on a mo/me... ill have to try it out though

[Livingston]

Fair enough. Too bad the only character I have that far into Factions is a Warrior primary...

Livingston

[llsektorll]

worked fine on my monk after testing it for an hour.

Mo/Me
12 Illusion
12 Protection
3 Inspiration

Totem Axe is a must atleast because assassins will own you if you use a staff or wand.

Protective Spirit
Spirit Bond
Sympthatic Visage
Ancestors Visage
Mantra of Resolve
Balthazar's Spirit
Essense Bond

Cast Essence Bond and Balthazar's Spirit at the beginning. Before heading into them make sure you have 20 energy, cast protective Spirit and Protective Bond on yourself. Run all the way into them up to the last mob. After aggroing the last mob (you should have past alteast 2 mobs) move back next to where the rangers are standing that were following you from previous mobs. The warriors will move in to attack. Do this while maintaining Prot Bond and Prot Spirit. When the warriors get on you use sympathic visage and mantra of resolve at the same time then use ancestors visage.

If you still havn't figured it out then here it is. They die from the Famine doing 37dmg when they hit 0 energy. By the way the orginal poster's pic is nothing compared to all aggros on you... with both sympathetic and ancestors visage on you, you'll probably see something more close to 100 -3 energy in purple text ^_^.

Its a quick and easy farm averaging around 30 to 45 seconds per run.

[llsektorll]

i was having problems downloading that video so ill try to upload a video on youtube soon. given my crappy upload here it might take a while :(

EDIT: Crap i fell asleep next to my laptop at 5:30AM work in 3 hours!! OH!! noooooessss.... anyways im at work now so you guys will have to wait on the vid.... o yea one thing i forgot to mention is that you need to only wear Shing Jea Boots and Pants for energy regen and no top and gloves or head tatoos.

[Dan Backblade]

youtube good idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prCN-sRehQ4

The 2 e regen is nothing compared to the gain from essence bond and spirit, so no armor works too, then again 5 pieces of shing jea should work fine too. I tried to get the minimum in the movie so no armor and dont bother with 2 extra skills :P.

I still think mesmer>monk but I noticed lack of pve mesmers :D

[TheMadKingGeorge]

fammin kills the mi posted it baove if you read you would of known

[llsektorll]

wondering where else this build could be implemented with a mo/me and a famine ranger.

I'd really want to test it out in a the urgoz warren to farm the initial areas.
Maybe FoW is farmable with this also? Since if enchant is remove it can very quickly be recast... energy is no problem... probably have the famine ranger/rit with famine and shelter...

EDIT: Just had to show what the real pics looked like....two pictures were taken 2seconds apart... that was a 15^50 Golden Phoenix Blade xD

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1429/farminshurkenkillsgm7.png
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2434/farminshurkendropspl1.png

[ChrisCo]

all i can say is wow...but one question what is the first skill on your bar

[Dan Backblade]

My guildie and I discovered that you can't use wand or staff because then the sins do shadow shroud on you!

[DEVILMAN]

Sektor this works in UW with a ranger useing Famine and EoE though its not quite as affective as the standard SS/SV necro duo. kinda slow against the Aatxe's as you dont have that many on you so not as much energy denial. Works well on the smites though.

[llsektorll]

Sektor this works in UW with a ranger useing Famine and EoE though its not quite as affective as the standard SS/SV necro duo. kinda slow against the Aatxe's as you dont have that many on you so not as much energy denial. Works well on the smites though.
Thanks

all i can say is wow...but one question what is the first skill on your bar
spirit bond

by the way i dont use vital blessing just have it incase i get owned while a gold drops for me and i dont have enough health or something...

[MrGuildBoi]

Mo/Me
12 Illusion
12 Protection
3 Inspiration

Protective Spirit
Protective Bond
Sympthatic Visage
Ancestors Visage
Mantra of Resolve
Balthazar's Spirit
Essense Bond

Cast Essence Bond and Balthazar's Spirit at the beginning. Before heading into them make sure you have 20 energy, cast protective Spirit and Protective Bond on yourself. Run all the way into them up to the last mob. After aggroing the last mob (you should have past alteast 2 mobs) move back next to where the rangers are standing that were following you from previous mobs. The warriors will move in to attack. Do this while maintaining Prot Bond and Prot Spirit.


Why do you use Protective Bond?

[llsektorll]

Why do you use Protective Bond?
typo i should have changed it that if it wasn't for laggy forums..

[mss]

Nice tip, and FYI: Me/Mo and Mo/Me aren't the only combinations that can farm this ;)

Granted they're probably better/faster/more reliable than that I'm using, but my monk isn't that far yet >.>

[Son of Urza]

I like the huge purple cloud of Visage triggers around them. Looks like they have a REALLY bad case of Miasma or something . . .

[llsektorll]

I like the huge purple cloud of Visage triggers around them. Looks like they have a REALLY bad case of Miasma or something . . .
definatly the easist the least annoying the most robotic farms out there... very efficient location.. good job for posting :D

[MrGuildBoi]

typo i should have changed it that if it wasn't for laggy forums..

Hehe, I still see Protective Bond in your instruction paragraph thing. :)

[llsektorll]

Hehe, I still see Protective Bond in your instruction paragraph thing. :)
at work ill change it eventually ...

[pryzmatik2]

I'm using your build ||sektor||, but how do you kill the rangers? They don't seem to die for me... Everything else dies though.

[MelechRic]

I'm using your build ||sektor||, but how do you kill the rangers? They don't seem to die for me... Everything else dies though.

I'd say you're probably going to be left with a few rangers. If you can get the warriors and assassins to fight near a ranger mob then the SV/AV energy drain will kill any ranger in the area. However, since there are at least a few rangers in each mob some will likely spread out and be away from the AoE of SV/AV and won't die.

Leave 'em and collect your loot.

[mss]

I'm using your build ||sektor||, but how do you kill the rangers? They don't seem to die for me... Everything else dies though.

Gee, standing next to them so the AoE from SV/AV triggering affects them too couldn't possibly work...


;)

Really, that's all you have to do. Group up the melee characters, run back so the rangers are clumped, then run slightly past the rangers so the melee characters are standing next to them.

[pryzmatik2]

Gee, standing next to them so the AoE from SV/AV triggering affects them too couldn't possibly work...


;)

Really, that's all you have to do. Group up the melee characters, run back so the rangers are clumped, then run slightly past the rangers so the melee characters are standing next to them.

No need to get wise with me, I was under the influence that the effects of the visages only applied to the attacker. ;)

[Vermilion]

Well I spent a few hours using sektors build on my monk and mesmer...its for some reason easier on my monk but my mes needs the skillpoints..
For the day, I ended up with about..
3 golds..2 GFB's and 1 Platinum longbow..bow was only one worth keeping..
100+ Soul stones..
17kish in gold (400-1k per run for me)
5 skill points..12 runs with berserkers scrolls didn't seem to help much..

I was too busy not dying to aggro the rangers..I typically left far too many alive..anyway <3 the build, etc, since its the only thing my mes can farm. :p

[llsektorll]

No need to get wise with me, I was under the influence that the effects of the visages only applied to the attacker. ;)
you move up till u aggro all groups move bak to the rangers that follow you.. stand around them so the warriors follow to you. Kill them with edenial with teh warriors.

But if they are very much a problem then dont kill them .. i don't bother with killing the rangers.

[pryzmatik2]

you move up till u aggro all groups move bak to the rangers that follow you.. stand around them so the warriors follow to you. Kill them with edenial with teh warriors.

But if they are very much a problem then dont kill them .. i don't bother with killing the rangers.

Yep, working fine now. There are still alot of runs where they strip Mantra of Resolve right after I cast it, and then the visages get interrupted. (Sometimes Spirit Bond / Protective Spirit gets interrupted too)

[llsektorll]

Yep, working fine now. There are still alot of runs where they strip Mantra of Resolve right after I cast it, and then the visages get interrupted. (Sometimes Spirit Bond / Protective Spirit gets interrupted too)
yea i know.... sometimes it gets annoying

[ubermancer]

I had a problem where Warrior's were staying alive, as they wouldnt die as fast as the Sin's/Ranger's that I would stay near. In order to remedy this, I brought SOJ along for the KD (works fine even at low smiting):

Prot Spirit
Spirit Bond
Ancestor's
MoR
Sympathetic
SOJ
Essence Bond
Balth Spirit

I cast SOJ ~2 seconds after I apply Sympathetic. This causes the energy drain to be a bit more staggered, allowing the Warriors to die at the same time. (no need for MoR as they have no energy)

This place is also good for xp grinding, though the <100% success rate does get annoying.

[Ecomancer]

The build would have been a lot more useful had there been more shirokens to kill. I was set to try a ss reckless haste build using prot spirit and spirit bond with essence bond and balthazar spirit for energy - but too lazy =)
Thanks to the OP for sharing his build.

[XanderWhilkes]

Thanks for this!

I spent several hours today running this area with my Me/Mo and had
a blast. It was so quick that it was addicting. I would do a run thinking it was my last one, but it would finish so quickly that I'd do another one.
The one problem for me is that I'm aligned with the Luxons and the Kurzicks held the Harvest Temple the whole time I was running this. I would have to hop over to another area to sell off my loot.

I got two Golden Phoenix Blades (One +15% enchanted req 9, the other req12 that I plan on using with my IW build) as well as a couple of other golds that weren't worth much. I probably netted 5 skill points or so.

I had considered bringin SoJ since the build didn't have any elites, but I haven't tried it yet. Once they were all aggroed, I would turn back to the ranger clump behind me and hit Mantra of Resolve and Sympathetic Visages immediately after. MoR would get stripped, but last long enough to let me get SV off. The majority would be dead before the first SV ran out, but anyone left wouldn't have enough energy to interrupt AV. I would usually only have two rangers left alive at the end of a run. It took me a bit to think of looping around to clump up with the rangers.

I only ran with my pants and shoes from my 55 15lvl armor with two superior runes in them and the PS/SB combo worked beautifully.
So if anyone here saw the shirtless male Me/Mo named Ender Alexander, that was me. While there, there was a fairly constant stream of Me/Mo and Mo/Me's running out of the Temple.

Thanks again!

*edit*
I did get a couple of nice looking Platinum Wands. I don't know how much they are worth, but I will probably use one that I got for my Ele who is still back on the Island. It was Earth req9 with either 9 or 10% chance of skill recharge. Nothing great, but they look so nice. The other was Communing 10 req with +5^50 energy and something like Divine Favor +1(16%) or something.

[Phantom Gun]

Nice. I spent an hour trying this out. Usually worked good until I was low on enemies then I would die so I could only grab some of the loot. Got a few purple items as well. Thanks for posting this.

[Sol_Vie]

*rushes his mesmer through Factions*

[Dean Wormer]

Thanks a lot. I did it with my Mo/Me and it works wonders. I've gotten a couple purples and a gold drop so far. I make about 2k per run which isn't bad at all.

[ubermancer]

Okay the XP grinding here is insane...

With a double XP scroll I got 8,352 XP. Thats better then half a skill point, on a run that can be done in under 2 minutes! With a triple XP scroll I would have gotten 12,528 XP. Thats 10 skill points (150k XP) in an hour USING NO SCROLLS.

So, um yeah. Stockpiling skill points for Nightfall, anyone?

Oh, and I am working on optimizing the build (in terms of run success more so then speed), Ill let you know how it turns out.

[Dan Backblade]

For the mo/me Blessed Aura is very useful because that can save your life in case of an interrupt (more time to get the enchants back up).

[ubermancer]

For the mo/me Blessed Aura is very useful because that can save your life in case of an interrupt (more time to get the enchants back up).

Yeah, what Ive found myself doing is dropping Mantra of Resolve and replacing it with.... Distortion.

On my Monk primary Distortion drains 2 per miss, and my enchants give me back 2 energy per hit. So, on average, I loose one energy per attempted attack against me. The block percentage still gives me a hefty chance to block interupts while its up, and even better, it will stay up longer due to the 75% failure rate Wild Strike now faces.

Distortion will quickly end due to energy drain, but if you fail to cast Ancestor's, then you can always attempt to cast Sympathetic a few seconds later rather then 20+ like with MoR.

[llsektorll]

Yeah, what Ive found myself doing is dropping Mantra of Resolve and replacing it with.... Distortion.

On my Monk primary Distortion drains 2 per miss, and my enchants give me back 2 energy per hit. So, on average, I loose one energy per attempted attack against me. The block percentage still gives me a hefty chance to block interupts while its up, and even better, it will stay up longer due to the 75% failure rate Wild Strike now faces.

Distortion will quickly end due to energy drain, but if you fail to cast Ancestor's, then you can always attempt to cast Sympathetic a few seconds later rather then 20+ like with MoR.

Nice ill have to try it.. i usually hit mantra of resolve far before aggroing all groups for some reason it stays on if you do that.

[manitoba1073]

I also use IW and conjure phantasm for theose pesky singles that sometimes r left. I dont use dist or mantra and ive tried archane echo the visages gives u three to use if 1 gets dist rupted. but since i seem to think they trigger there dist shots on u after u hit prot spirit when ur in i hit a visage before i hit my second prot spirit. i have less distruptions and with IW and CP it really dont matter if they have famine up or not lol.:D

[whobitz]

This build is insanely fun, good job on it...Let's just hope they don't add mesmers or something...

[scrinner]

Is it just me or have the assasins suddenly Started casting Shroud of distress like theyve never seen the skill before. My Last few runs have been disasters with the shrouds ruining my enchant casting

[manitoba1073]

Is it just me or have the assasins suddenly Started casting Shroud of distress like theyve never seen the skill before. My Last few runs have been disasters with the shrouds ruining my enchant casting

are you using a wand or staff? if so thats the problem try using an axe or sword. i have yet to see Shroud while using an axe or sword. hope that helps:D

[llsektorll]

Is it just me or have the assasins suddenly Started casting Shroud of distress like theyve never seen the skill before. My Last few runs have been disasters with the shrouds ruining my enchant casting
totem axe ftw:D

[manitoba1073]

totem axe ftw:D
NOT

FFS FTW extra mile :D :D

[lyra_song]

Thanks for posting this up ^^ i spent all day yesterday farming those shiro'ken with my Mo/Me and its really fun. I got 5 rares, 3 are usable (1 oni sword, 1 set of oni daggers, 1 set of korambits) and oodles of soul stones and a few skill points.

I actually started with just my kephket's refuge, i had to cast between shrouds...boy that was hard!! :o Till somene told me to use a melee weapon >.> so i borrowed a Razajan's Fervor.

I still get some lone Shiroken Rangers or Warriors or Sins who were just outside the prime range of Visage (thank you lag for ruining my pulls -.- ), i might bring IW as suggested.

I think double visage is gonna be permanent part of my spirit bond farming build ^^

Those wardens are gonna get it >.>

[scrinner]

Im using a Totem axe but i have not seen them cast shroud of silence tell today, guess ill try it again a few times

[Horible]

Is there any other proffesions that can farm it? all i got is a ranger there, but im workin my monk there also.

Gonna experiment after i win halls ;-p J/k


Horible

[TheMadKingGeorge]

i might say a monk, ripost, glad defence. deadly ripost might be bale to would take ages though probally

[MelechRic]

This is what I've been running:

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1903641&postcount=17

Though reading through this I might be tempted into dropping MoR for Distortion. I'll have to try it out tonight.

[ubermancer]

This is what I've been running:

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1903641&postcount=17

Though reading through this I might be tempted into dropping MoR for Distortion. I'll have to try it out tonight.

In the last 24 hours I have made ~500k xp (35 skill points) running the same build as you, subbing MoR for Distortion.

[llsektorll]

In the last 24 hours I have made ~500k xp (35 skill points) running the same build as you, subbing MoR for Distortion.
probably easiest way to farm xp for your buddy who is getting survivor...

[Wrath Of Dragons]

probably easiest way to farm xp for your buddy who is getting survivor...

except how mant survivors are at the waters temple?

[ubermancer]

except how mant survivors are at the waters temple?

Ones going for Legendary?

[MelechRic]

In the last 24 hours I have made ~500k xp (35 skill points) running the same build as you, subbing MoR for Distortion.

Loving Distortion! Good find!

Amity has its downside too. If you "turn off" all of the Shiro'ken then you may die to bleeding or to them using non-attack skills (healing skills) as they mob around you.

I've found I need to leave a few rangers in the back plinking at me in order to be able to survive with Amity up. I need that energy.

[Z'HA'DUM]

i noticed that the "anti-farming" code gets triggered just a few times after doing this farm. what do u guys do about it?

[TheMadKingGeorge]

i havnt tiggered the farmign code yet but i only make 20k ish before i leave

[Haggard]

LOL! This one made me chuckle while I waited for dinner :P
I'll have to give it a shot while I wait for the guild to come help me cap my last 5 elites xD

[lyra_song]

I always resign, never got the anti farming code.

[onerabbit]

Im yet to try this, looks very good, gotta do a few more missions, just get faction for Breifending the luxons, then hopefully il get there 2night and try it in the morning.

Whats a Frost Gate Guardian? :P only just spotted it on my name :\

[Sour Pancake]

i got a +15/-5 golden maul wiht +30 health doing this, dont over do it tho please, i dont want it nerfed

[MelechRic]

i got a +15/-5 golden maul wiht +30 health doing this, dont over do it tho please, i dont want it nerfed

That is like asking the sun not to set. It won't happen. Get in there an abuse it as much as you can before it gets hit with a nerf.

EDIT: One other thing... why do you think this would get a nerf when the troll cave is still going strong?

[Zeph]

Thanks for posting this, it's a fun farm, although monotonous. I can see it getting nerfed very soon so let's enjoy it whilst we can.

I actually only looked at the thread after spotting the huge amount of me/mo & mo/me piling out the door (mad king george being one of them I noticed :p), I knew something was going on. ;)

A warning though, if you do a lot of runs fast you WILL trip the farming code.....as I found out. For the record, I used /resign after each run.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6024/codetrippedyp7.th.jpg (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=codetrippedyp7.jpg)

I'd suggest at least running up past the res point and trying to kill a few things up there every few runs, just to mix it up a bit.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

I have tried it, It is less effecient at getting gold then my Ele mino farming mentioned here (http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1905677&postcount=2) (more info here (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Talk:E/Me_Mist_Farmer#Earth_Variation)) and slower at gaining exp for mesmer (I think) then the echo SoJ build I use for minos. I havent tried spirit bond builds before but I think I prefer 55 breeze/ps. I understand 55 doesnt work here, if the goal is to farm Shiro'ken and not get money/exp fast, I'd say this would be ideal. I wish I knew about this last spring when I needed soul stones for some collector items.

Edit. I may as well try a bit more. I am thinking about doing profitability reaserch for various farms to determine gold/rare drops/time ratio, I am in search of THE most profitable farm that doesnt require favor (America FTL AGAIN >_< ).

[byteme!]

600k+ xp and counting in the last 30~ hours

Excellent build. I throw in blessed aura for safer measures.

[byteme!]

I have tried it, It is less effecient at getting gold then my Ele mino farming mentioned here (http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1905677&postcount=2) (more info here (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Talk:E/Me_Mist_Farmer#Earth_Variation)) and slower at gaining exp for mesmer (I think) then the echo SoJ build I use for minos. I havent tried spirit bond builds before but I think I prefer 55 breeze/ps. I understand 55 doesnt work here, if the goal is to farm Shiro'ken and not get money/exp fast, I'd say this would be ideal. I wish I knew about this last spring when I needed soul stones for some collector items.

Edit. I may as well try a bit more. I am thinking about doing profitability reaserch for various farms to determine gold/rare drops/time ratio, I am in search of THE most profitable farm that doesnt require favor (America FTL AGAIN >_< ). Not efficient XP???

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

Not efficient XP???
That's VS minos, I should really keep exact count. After a few more runs I guess I average between 1k and 1.5k per run so the gold is decent too. I really should keep exact count of this also.

I found using Illusion of Weakness and shing jea enchanters armor helpful, the extra energy and emergency healing are useful. I wish there was a way to kill the rangers, they are annoying and debilitating shot can suck when it hits 4 times in close succession. I played with guardian a bit to prevent interrupts with mixed results. Phantasm seems to speed the deaths of the rangers when I pull the melee types close, but it's not sufficient to kill on it's own. I wonder if nightmare might work when there are enough warriors and assassins providing energy.

At any rate it's an interesting build, and another case of rangers spirits causing problems for and killing their teammates. I wonder if an eoe-esque nerf for is on the horizon for famine.

edit:

Excellent build. I throw in blessed aura for safer measures.

I was thinking about that too, I like to use blessed aura for 55 echo SoJ mesmer, the difference between +20% and +30% is substantial however for Spirit Bond I believe the 1.6 (+20%) gets rounded up to 2 (10 seconds total) while the 2.4 (30%) gets rounded down to 2 (still 10 seconds). PS gets a 5(4.8) second boost with 30% at 9 prot(21 seconds total), so it might be worth it.

[xb0vv]

i dont get it,what causes them to die?

[Elwynn Swiftwind]

famine lolz

[onerabbit]

Golden P Blades FTW!!! they drop em all the time! this is wicked!!! nice!!

Diablating shot, or what ever can be annoying, how u get around it?

Energy +5 GPB!! with 20% enchants mod! that will come in handy for mw farming there.!

[remmeh]

absolutely brilliant... gotta try this.

[pegasux]

geez the golden phoenix blades and gloden mauls drop often here...got 5 blades and about 4 mauls already! only 1 was worth keeping though req 10 15% enchanted and a req 8 mamoth axe 15% -10 al. the average time it takes me is 2 min per run killing most of the rangers and if i'm lucky all of em. in and out the door is right under 3 min for me =). great build!

[onerabbit]

Is it me, or is it really laggy? when i try and lure them all, i kinda stop and start etc, really annoying. happens in fow aswell, only 2 places :\

[pegasux]

runs fine with me...might be your vid card can't render all the shriroken smoothly...try turning the graphics down a bit. btw just got 2 black dyes in 2 more runs =)

[onerabbit]

runs fine with me...might be your vid card can't render all the shriroken smoothly...try turning the graphics down a bit. btw just got 2 black dyes in 2 more runs =)



Ty, no more lagging :D
getting smooth runs now, not dying asmuch;)

CURSED!!! omfg, now they are interupting like F*CK! ps-interupted, Spir bond- interupted- and Sv interupted~ all in a row!\

Another GPB :) im likeing this! 14^-5 :( +30hp :) 3 steel ingots :(

[onerabbit]

I'm using a GPB +5 energy, 20% enchants, but thanks for noting it, i figurede it out now, my runs are fine, just got my second GPB, 20k made so far, its really easy when u get the hang of it.

[D E L E T E D]

works like a charm, went with remmeh to just check it out. If you are a monk, the interrupts are kind of a bitch, but if you get lucky and dont get interrupted its all gravy.

[Calahan]

ultra fast farm :P thx;]

[onerabbit]

I have realised something, when u lure, they will use Diblating shot( or what ever)
but when uve stopped for a bit, they dont use it, so best to aggro all of them, and just stay still, my energy stays max all the time

[Gizmo Loco]

Neitehr Mesmer or Monk through factions ftl :(

How much money do you usually get per run here?

[onerabbit]

Per run, 1.5k+ inc drops to merchant, takes 2mins, and golds gallore!

[Gizmo Loco]

Holy red gored engine....WTB Run from Kaineng Center to Harvest Temple ^_^;

[onerabbit]

My monk was only at Cavalon yesterday, so i had 2 faction farm 10k, then do the 2 missions which took for ever. but know im here, the payoff is huge!

[Kcp]

Harvest temple is an appropriate name. Wonder when the nerf hammer comes and tosses in some of them mesmers with diversion.

[MelechRic]

Holy red gored engine....WTB Run from Kaineng Center to Harvest Temple ^_^;

Lol, too bad they nerfed running in Factions or this place would be mobbed.

I'm hearing a lot of complaints about the interrupts. I've found that you're far less likely to be interrupted if you cast your SV right after you hit Mantra of Resolve. Most of the times the Warriors and Assassins will try to interrupt MoR or Wild Blow you out of it. While their interrupts are recharging you can usually get off an SV. Then wait. When SV is half done cast AV. The e-drain/adrenaline drain will make it so they can't interrupt AV.

Also, I never aggro the last group of Shiro'ken. I get the first three balled up and kill most of them. Then with SV or AV up I go over to the last group and aggro it. I use it as an energy engine and bring it to the left-overs from the first aggro. In this way I usually kill everything or at most leave one Assassin or Ranger alive.

[lyra_song]

Vs Debilitating shot

Just use the Terrain. Harvest temple is kind of a big spiral.

You can pull the rangers against the wall and walk around and they'll end up shooting the wall (a technique i use vs Avicara a lot in mineral springs...)

Then you can safely tank the warriors and sins to build up energy. Then cast SV/AV and run to the rangers ;)

[onerabbit]

what do i do with the stones? sell em to merch, or give em to the collector, and sell that item 2 merch??

[pegasux]

have you guys triggered the anti farm code yet? i have and the drops are still decent...so far.

[onerabbit]

Nope, been doing 2 hours now, no code yet :P but my drops are getting shit, havent seen a gold in a while :\

just resign when u finish, dint think ur triger it then

[Koning]

yeah, I found out I trigger the anti farming code here way faster than everywhere else. I can farm trolls/minos for hours without anti farming code kicking in, here i farmed half an hour and it kicked in for me. the first run after that drops were doable, but the last run I got only 3 items from all of em! Guess i need to do some missions...

But respect you find this farming out!

[pegasux]

yeah i'm off to farm elsewhere for a few hours so this farm code will wear off...lol. guess i better limit myself to 10 runs an hour or something.

[onerabbit]

Just done 2 last missions, ganna go back, and try again. hope i get more gds

Dun a few runs, just getting collectables :(


Still nothing, ganna go do sum chest runs


Na still nothing :\ il try again in the morning.

[Orinn]

Thanks for this build. it works well in FA kurzick side to hold turtle groups off. With 4 luxon warriors on you, the energy drain adds up for them AND the turtle. I held a group of warriors for he entire match. I keepp getting insulted for running this build, though...

[byteme!]

I found using Illusion of Weakness and shing jea enchanters armor helpful, the extra energy and emergency healing are useful. I tried IoW and I found that if I'm interupted I'm pretty much dead anyways. An extra 200hp does nothing when you're surrounded by the entire mob of lvl 28 Shiro'Ken. Blessed Aura however buys me more time in case I do get interupted. +20% from my Totem Axe and +28% from Blessed Aura lengthens my enchantments quite nicely. My PS lasts for approximately 30 seconds and SB lasts about 12 seconds I believe. (figures not exact but close) Distortion > MoR because of the shorter recharge IMO also.

As far as XP is concerned it's bloody amazing. Sometimes the spawns are bad and you can't group them all. (Rangers, Assassins and Warriors) But 9/10 I can aggro the whole mob and pull them back so the Rangers are grouped together before I turn around and combine the meleers and Rangers.

[MelechRic]

Thanks for this build. it works well in FA kurzick side to hold turtle groups off. With 4 luxon warriors on you, the energy drain adds up for them AND the turtle. I held a group of warriors for he entire match. I keepp getting insulted for running this build, though...

My Luxon necro will be looking for you. :evil:

[byteme!]

I keepp getting insulted for running this build, though...Only people who are unskilled and who can't deal with certain builds resort to insults. It makes them feel better despite the fact they suck.

[byteme!]

Since NO ONE has brought this up I'll assume I'm the first to think of this. Without PS activated the Shiro'Ken do well over 100+ dmg per hit easily with the lowest armor you can get. Now I haven't done the calculations but it's safe to say we don't need the lowest armor. All we need is armor levels to be low enough to trigger Spirit Bond. With this in mind I've thought about using "Mark of Protection" since it heals me 64hp per hit for 10 seconds with 16 in Protection. Since this Shiro'Ken build does not have an elite anyways why not put MoP in? It buys me 10 seconds more in case I get interupted. On paper it seems like it might work. Only problem is finding the right armor levels to work in conjunction with the 64hp per hit I'll be getting from MoP. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

[ubermancer]

12 seconds, it buys you 12 seconds. Good idea.

[Orinn]

My Luxon necro will be looking for you. :evil:

Yeah. I played one match, and for some reason, a necro on the other side was running Lingering Curse. that hurt. Anything else, and the healing from spirit bond just completely overpowers damage. Lifesteal isn't even a problem. It doesn't trigger SB, but the luxon warriors are too dumb to know to STOP HITTING THE MONK!

I have 466 HP. 46 damage, 96 heal. Every swing, from 4 hammer warriors. it's fun.

[ubermancer]

[...] and slower at gaining exp for mesmer (I think) then the echo SoJ build I use for minos.[...]

Got a link I think you should check out: http://tinyurl.com/ru6qz

[byteme!]

12 seconds, it buys you 12 seconds. Good idea. Only if you include a 20% enchant bonus. Otherwise Mark of Protection lasts 10 seconds. I'm assuming that's what you meant.

[XanderWhilkes]

Good grief, I have to thank you for this build/idea one more time. Over the last few days I've gained over 500k experience and 250k gold from selling to merchant/other players. I got tired of spamming WTS and took less than what some of the items were worth and still made a killing! I think I made 15k+ alone selling Stone Souls. 7.5k per stack of 250.

Now, if only I could break my Shiro'Ken farming addiction to get my Monk down to the Harvest Temple, that would be great. It's like "Aww.. one more time then I'll go do something else".. "That went quick.. how about another run?"

:evil:

[manitoba1073]

MoP does work tried it for awhile didnt care for it went back to IW and conjure nightmare lol\

also u can goto imperial sanctum and solo them there too if u guys didnt know alrdy

[Symeon]

The main threats in this run are the interrupts. Debilitating shot won't get your energy down as long as you stop occasionally to let the melee enemies hit you.

To counter the interrupts the obvious choice is Mantra of Resolve. However, this can be removed by the Warrior's Wild Blow... sometimes they do it instantly after you cast, sometimes they don't do it at all. When you cast SV (or AV), put on Mantra of Resolve right before it. And by that I mean, pressing the number for MoR and the number for SV immediately after. Only if you're really unlucky will you get interrupted.

As for Spirit Bond and Protective Spirit being interrupted, it's a pain and it's quite silly that they can manage to interrupt a fast-casted 1/4 second spell at all. But while running try to cast these when a fair distance away from the melee enemies at least, so they can't get in Disrupting Stabs and whatever else they have. Distracting Shot shouldn't interrupt you anyway unless you have no fast-cast or you're right beside a ranger.

Also, watch out for the melee enemies lagging. Sometimes they'll all stop about 10 feet away from you, but still be attacking.

Thanks for this build... it's netted me a nice amount of gold in a few hours :)

[onerabbit]

Just went out, and there wanst a famine in sight :\ dunno if it was just a bad run... getting famines again now

False alarm

so far ive made 80k! and 700k XP in 1 night and 1 morining

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

I kept exact record of 65 runs, seling everything after each run and writing down the total.

The average amount of gold per run is:

1014 (1013.6461538461538461538461538462)

I tried IoW and I found that if I'm interupted I'm pretty much dead anyways. An extra 200hp does nothing when you're surrounded by the entire mob of lvl 28 Shiro'Ken.
IoW isn't for inturrupts, it's more for when spirit bond goes down for a second or ps, and you need a seond to quickly recast.

after a few hundred runs (240k worth) this is what I'm running:
armor: shing jea ascalon enchanters, illusion headpiece (I see no reason to go naked if it's easier to use shitty armor)
Runes:maj illusion, sup fast casting, minor insperation, minor vigor
Health:400

Attribs:
FC: 6 +3
Illusion: 9 +2 +1
Insperation: 7 +1
Prot: 12

FC healps alot with the inturrupts also.

skills:
PS
SB
AV
SV
MoR
Bals Spirit
Essence bond
IoW

Equipment: Fiery Flame Spitter of Enchanting (10% recharge 20% enchanting)
The rockmolder (10% recharge Illusion +1 20%)
I switched sets a few times, I found the 10 recharge on ffs to be more handy then the +5e on the totem. If only they didnt nurf pre-nurf rockmolders :/

For me the key is having a visage, ps, sb, and MoR up while agroing, wait a second and cast MoR and recast SB SV/AV PS, this way the sins mana is drained so they cant wild stab or disrupt and MoR protects from savage shot. Using MoR>sv/av fast works well if the visage is down as the sins will be wild stabing when you are casting the important enchant, once sv is up you are fairly safe from ints. You can actually recast IoW in battle once you are under attack and you will be instantly healed from the sac due to the wonders of SB. There have been runs where I needed to cast it 3 times, as any good mesmer knows if you need to recast IoW and it wasnt stripped that means it saved your ass. At any rate it's a very good farm, and with a little finesse, proper agro management, and good timing you should have a very low failure rate.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

Got a link I think you should check out: http://tinyurl.com/ru6qz
Got a link I think you should check out:

perhaps now you can figure out the meaning of my post (http://secure.hop.com/index.cfm?AFID=158&redirCampID=154) as it seems you were unable to read(or comprehend) the whole thing. hell '(I think)' was even in your quote.

http://www.worthlink.net/%7Eysabet/homage/goldass.gif
Here is your golden ass award.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

Since NO ONE has brought this up I'll assume I'm the first to think of this. Without PS activated the Shiro'Ken do well over 100+ dmg per hit easily with the lowest armor you can get. Now I haven't done the calculations but it's safe to say we don't need the lowest armor. All we need is armor levels to be low enough to trigger Spirit Bond. With this in mind I've thought about using "Mark of Protection" since it heals me 64hp per hit for 10 seconds with 16 in Protection. Since this Shiro'Ken build does not have an elite anyways why not put MoP in? It buys me 10 seconds more in case I get interupted. On paper it seems like it might work. Only problem is finding the right armor levels to work in conjunction with the 64hp per hit I'll be getting from MoP. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Ok.

Mark of Protection:
For 10 seconds, whenever target ally would take damage, that ally is healed for that amount instead, maximum 6...49. All your Protection Prayers are disabled for 5 seconds.

You don't take ANY damage while under MoP so al makes no difference. Sb and PS will be disabled for the first 5 seconds so you need to make sure to recast in the last 5 seconds of MoP. *edit what do ya know you do take damage >.< they need to fix the description to make that more clear

Me/Mo>Mo/Me, (something about greedy monks and a lack of mesmers because some people don't understand how awesome mesmers are <_<)

My first toon was a mes so I am biased in favor of the mesmer profession.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

yeah i'm off to farm elsewhere for a few hours so this farm code will wear off...lol. guess i better limit myself to 10 runs an hour or something.

I kill to the last group of 3 sins and 2 rangers, then /resign every time. I haven't had anti-farming code kick in here yet, after tons of farming.

[Draxanoth]

Why on earth would you ever post this? You just ruined perhaps the best farming location in the game..... now it'll be filled with billions of troll farming zombies and no one will ever see a rare drop again. Didn't anyone learn from the griffons fiasco? We killed on loot with that farm for weeks till someone released a video.... They'll probably strip out the Shiroken and replace them with a boss vermin that drops a protection staff....

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

Why on earth would you ever post this? You just ruined perhaps the best farming location in the game..... now it'll be filled with billions of troll farming zombies and no one will ever see a rare drop again. Didn't anyone learn from the griffons fiasco? We killed on loot with that farm for weeks till someone released a video.... They'll probably strip out the Shiroken and replace them with a boss vermin that drops a protection staff....

One word: minotaurs.

There are still tons of griffons to kill in the desert if you arent to blind to notice them.(Skyward Reach, The Scar)

[Draxanoth]

One word: minotaurs.

There are still tons of griffons to kill in the desert if you arent to blind to notice them.(Skyward Reach, The Scar)

Yes, there are. They also don't drop a fraction of the gear they did before someone leaked them. Minotaurs? Oh yes, tanned hide and horns is great. Maybe a rare whenever the moon eclipses. You'd rather tell everyone about your favorite spot and get tons of white items than 8 rares? Hmmm a req 8 phoenix blade and golden maul.... or gold and spirit stones....

[ibex333]

I cant believe this s*it.... it hasnt even been one week since this was posted, and anet already nerfed this place. I did 50+ runs today, and all i got was a shit req13 19% below golden maul, a crappy plat bow, a garbage long bow with 13 req, and 3 gold crappy daggers. No phoenix blades, no 15^50s, nothing....
Even the dragon mosses at saint anjecka's drop better than these shiroken after the nerf. The only thing this is good for now, is exp and soul stones.

I want to say thanx to the creator of this build. He/she is a true genious.
You gotta be pretty clever to think of this.


As for idiots who say that this should never have been posted:

How many times do you have to be told that Anet doesnt have to read this forum to know that you are abusing that place??
Anet is omnipresent. They know EVERYTHING that goes on in their game. They monitor your usage hours, what you do with your character, etc. It doesnt take them long to see what you are doing.
I was one of the first people in GW to farm dragon mosses. They got nerfed well before the build was posted in the forums...

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

Yes, there are. They also don't drop a fraction of the gear they did before someone leaked them. Minotaurs? Oh yes, tanned hide and horns is great. Maybe a rare whenever the moon eclipses. You'd rather tell everyone about your favorite spot and get tons of white items than 8 rares? Hmmm a req 8 phoenix blade and golden maul.... or gold and spirit stones....
I can get 10k in about 35 minutes from minos, that includes a few rares. Griffons are decent too, as are the hydra in the same area. Infact I get 2-4 golds per hydra/griffon run. So they added kekphet and removed a few Griffons, big deal. Golds drop more from higher level foes, so obviously they drop more from Shiro'ken, unless they remove the Shiro'ken that will not change. So please take your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE RED GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE FUD and stuff it, and spare the flames. There are Mino, Hydra, Giant, etc. builds everywhere and tons of people farming them(in the case of minos even tons of bots) and they are still profitable. I still 55 hydras, I still get 2-4 gold drops per run and nothing has been done to change that in the several months since I started.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

I cant believe this s*it.... it hasnt even been one week since this was posted, and anet already nerfed this place. I did 50+ runs today, and all i got was a shit req13 19% below golden maul, a crappy plat bow, a garbage long bow with 13 req, and 3 gold crappy daggers. No phoenix blades, no 15^50s, nothing....
Even the dragon mosses at saint anjecka's drop better than these shiroken after the nerf. The only thing this is good for now, is exp and soul stones.

I want to say thanx to the creator of this build. He/she is a true genious.
You gotta be pretty clever to think of this.


As for idiots who say that this should never have been posted:

How many times do you have to be told that Anet doesnt have to read this forum to know that you are abusing that place??
Anet is omnipresent. They know EVERYTHING that goes on in their game. They monitor your usage hours, what you do with your character, etc. It doesnt take them long to see what you are doing.
I was one of the first people in GW to farm dragon mosses. They got nerfed well before the build was posted in the forums...

I have also done 50+ runs today And I have not noticed any change in drop rate. This includes several multi gold drop runs. Incase you didnt know mods are random. Just because you were luckey before doesn't spell nurf.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

lag caused double post >.<

[ibex333]

I have also done 50+ runs today And I have not noticed any change in drop rate. This includes several multi gold drop runs. Incase you didnt know mods are random. Just because you were luckey before doesn't spell nurf.


Ehh.... Well I guess I am unlucky. But you gotta admit that when someone does 50 runs and gets practically nothing, that really leads you to believe something was nerfed.

By the way... What did you get? (the good stuff I mean)

[disarm76]

I find a way to make it simple with a Mo/Me:

Protective Spirit
Protective Bond
Sympthatic Visage
*Ancestors Visage
*Mantra of Resolve
Retribution
Balthazar's Spirit
Essense Bond

*Not really necessary. just in case.

With retribution enemies take 10 damage each time they attack, this help then getting killed.

How to not being interrupted casting Sympthatic Visage:
When you're about to aggro the last group cast PS and PB, then aggro and turn to get near the Rangers in the back.
As you turn cast Sympthatic Visage and then get near the rangers. It work 90% of the times with me.

[MelechRic]

Ehh.... Well I guess I am unlucky. But you gotta admit that when someone does 50 runs and gets practically nothing, that really leads you to believe something was nerfed.

By the way... What did you get? (the good stuff I mean)

I wouldn't think this will be nerfed any time soon. Look at Vermin Farming... plenty of people claiming 4-5k per run. That's been going on for some while.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

The Visages DO stack, this can come in handy, esp if you notice the HSR kick in on one as with both active at the same time they die twice as fast.

[llsektorll]

Looking back at the build i think a warrior/mesmer build here is feasible....

duno maybe it'll work... im sure you can do it just gotta tweak it a bit my warrior got deleted and my new one isn't that far so i can't test it out but try it see if it works..

gladiators defense
bonetti's defense
cyclone axe
balthazar's spirit
live vicariously
vigorous spirit
sympathetic visage
ancestors visage

[ubermancer]

My Me/W/Mo tried it and it worked great! Good find!

[manitoba1073]

heres y i like my skill set

[Thom Bangalter]

Looking back at the build i think a warrior/mesmer build here is feasible....

duno maybe it'll work... im sure you can do it just gotta tweak it a bit my warrior got deleted and my new one isn't that far so i can't test it out but try it see if it works..

gladiators defense
bonetti's defense
cyclone axe
balthazar's spirit
live vicariously
vigorous spirit
sympathetic visage
ancestors visage

I want a W/Me/Mo!

[onerabbit]

heres y i like my skill set


Tell us more!

[laurson]

I have trouble with killing the rangers as a Mo/Me, any suggestions

[Alexi Jotun]

I have trouble with killing the rangers as a Mo/Me, any suggestions

Aggro up everything, then run near the rangers.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

Tell us more!
Look at the iw spirit bond build on wiki for more info <.<

p.s notice the DP XD.

I have no idea how they got there all the mobbs on the way remove enchants >.<

[tuna-fish_sushi]

hmm 30 + runs and ive only gotten 2 rare items and not even a white phoenix blade...

And I did 15 runs on the same day the first thread about shiroken farming i havent noticed a difference in drops

[ibex333]

I found the answer to interrups for the monk which works 95% of the time.
Use mantra of concentration - NOT mantra of resolve.
Mantra of resolve can drain all your enegry under some circumstances, which might deny you from recasting PS or SB at a crucial moment. It even led me to loose my enchants once.
Mantra of concentration usually works great, unless it gets interrupted by wild blow, which is unlikely.

I know that mantra of concentration will only allow you to sact one Visage, but I noticed that once the Shiroken are under the effects of one Visage they usually WILL NOT interrupt you when you cast the second one due to being drained of energy. :)


MercuriusTerMaxum - there's no IW spirit bond on wiki. There's only the spirit bond build with no mention of IW. Please dont be lazy and help us out.

[onerabbit]

I tried that IW Build for Kunvie, and i dont have a clue! how the hell you managed 2 get to him!! i die all the time! its impossible

[ibex333]

heres y i like my skill set


Honestly.. I dont even know how you get to Kunvie...
The carp own be 100 times over by the time i get there.

EDIT: Nvm.. I feel like a noob for not seeing it right away. There's a 15% dp on his screen. He's Luxon. So he uses that cheap trick to rez somewhere on other side next to Kunvie avoiding the carp alltogether. It wont work when the Kurziks take back what's rightfully theirs. :)
I'd become Luxon, but i need the faction for my other char to pass the game.

[ubermancer]

I found the answer to interrups for the monk which works 95% of the time.
Use mantra of concentration - NOT mantra of resolve.
Mantra of resolve can drain all your enegry under some circumstances, which might deny you from recasting PS or SB at a crucial moment. It even led me to loose my enchants once.
Mantra of concentration usually works great, unless it gets interrupted by wild blow, which is unlikely.

I know that mantra of concentration will only allow you to sact one Visage, but I noticed that once the Shiroken are under the effects of one Visage they usually WILL NOT interrupt you when you cast the second one due to being drained of energy. :)


MercuriusTerMaxum - there's no IW spirit bond on wiki. There's only the spirit bond build with no mention of IW. Please dont be lazy and help us out.

I believe the jist of the build is you bring IW with Spirit Bond. Kay?

[manitoba1073]

actually there is no rez zone over there by kunvie. :D those carp r only the first obstacle. ill see if fraps will cooperate for me and ill do a fast vid. if u can cant understand my directions.

1. at the start rez point run towards the carps before u get in there aggro run back towards the rez shrine and run past. if your side has control of the shrine the gaurds will attack them. if your side doesnt the carps will stop just short of the shrine and stay right in front of it.
2. theres a a few patrols but they r easy to manage just stay to the far left and run when the grasppings leave.
3. u may have to run past the first group shirokens due to a pop up of outcast assasins. just go for the second group of shiroken as the first group will usually kill the outcasts if they fight.
4. once u clear the 3 groups of shiroken the fun begins trying to get kunvie to draw out away from other grasppings and carps. just watch there patrol patterns and keep PS and SB up at all times. he can hit hard thats where the DP came from ;)

like i said hopefully ill get a fraps vid up soon for u guys.

[Dragon Sin]

Are there any substitutes for the prophecies skills?

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

MercuriusTerMaxum - there's no IW spirit bond on wiki. There's only the spirit bond build with no mention of IW. Please dont be lazy and help us out.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Me/Mo_55_IW_Solo_Mesmer

This dude got it in his head that the 55 iw build should be a spirit bond build >.<

As to mor I havent had any issues with mana...I think it's all about timing. If a visage is up when you draw agro the sins mana should be drained to prevent disrupting stab, the agro is where IoW comes in handy, have Mor up then I cast visage>PS>SB then agro and recast SB and ps before the sins can group around me then MoR and the second visage. Perhaps the lack of FC is the difference, 1/4 second PS becomes .16 and SB becomes .66, the total casting time for both together is under 1 second.
hmm 30 + runs and ive only gotten 2 rare items and not even a white phoenix blade...

And I did 15 runs on the same day the first thread about shiroken farming i havent noticed a difference in drops
I've done 15 or so runs today and I've had about 8 rare drops including a GPB.

[ibex333]

thank you mercurius... I just couldnt find it...

wow mantioba.... not I feel liek a double noob. :)

[manitoba1073]

wow mantioba.... not I feel liek a double noob. :)[/QUOTE]

no need for that i have been playing GW for a very long time and was one of the first to come up with 105/55 monk builds for UW ;) plus ive beaten prophicies with her as a 55 when ppl said it really couldnt be done. i look for the hard stuff to do. just my way of farming. lol when i do spider cave i head to the front and clear the abysalls and rangers lol. ofcourse all those RTS games helped to pick up on the small details of things. :cool: :cool:


by the way youtube's giving me probs loading the video any ideas of a better place to host it would be appreciated. just shows how to get past the carps. i thought that everyone alrdy did the shirokens on the back side also. so i wasnt worried about doing anything on it. so srry if the vid isnt that good. but i figured id try kunvie and it worked you'll just have to figure the part of getting him on your own guys. however ill give a hint- thats why i have conjure nightmare on my bar. if u guys ever need a question or something im on one of my 2 accounts in game. Tarn Verde 1st account or Flash Gordan my 2nd account. feel free to whisper any time. just let me know your from here and ill help if i can.

[ubermancer]

And how do you 105 (solo) Hells Precipice, through Life Steal thatd instakill a 55, burning, and enchant stripping?

[manitoba1073]

didnt solo hells i used the exact same build though that i do solo with when i did that. :p and i havent done it in a long long time ;) before anet nerfed a lot of things.

oh and by the way u can also kill Merki the Reaver too doing the run. :D :D :D hope u guys like this pix too.

[ubermancer]

didnt solo hells i used the exact same build though that i do solo with when i did that. :p and i havent done it in a long long time ;) before anet nerfed a lot of things.

oh and by the way u can also kill Merki the Reaver too doing the run. :D :D :D hope u guys like this pix too.

First of all, grammer is your friend. Im not entirely sure what your post MEANT.

And claims of "Ive beaten prophecies solo when people said it couldnt be done" and then on your very next post admitting to the fact that you have not, at least, solo'd Hells Precipice does little more the label you a liar.

[manitoba1073]

i didnt say i soloed with her. i said i beat prophicies as a 55 monk with the same skills as a solo monk. sorry if u got confused on that but nowhere did i say i soloed and beat it.
and as far as grammer is exactly concerned now it seems pretty clear what was meant there. now plzz if ur trying to troll theres no need for it. as i see its no more than a simple misunderstanding. so plzz dont jump to conclusions. and as far as being labeled a liar it dont bother me as i know the truth. if anyone else has problems with my other post im sure they will let me know.

[ubermancer]

Wait, so you were bragging because you, amongst other accomplishments, beat Hells Precipice with, what, Henchies? Players? While you, a 55 monk, remained subpar?

I dont think many people will say thats impossible, but most will agree that its something you probably shouldnt do.

[manitoba1073]

i dont see where u say using 55 skill build is being subpar. no plz if u have some prob with me. take it in a PM. now i wasnt bragging. plzz stop taking this O.T. now all i did was state something i have done. and im sorry if you are that narrow minded to realize that the 55 build can be used in more than just a solo mode.

back to topic

heres a pix of merki's sheild drop.

u can solo him but if u see a reef lurker close attack it and bring him with u when u attack merki's its for the extra energy from its attack.

[yassy_visera]

Trust me, Manitoba's done it, he's a real crazy SoB, anyways this forum is more about Shiro'ken farming

[onerabbit]

Calm down ubermancer.
keep on the track of Shiro'ken aswell

[MelechRic]

Getting to Kunvie and solo'ing her isn't impossible. I've done it on my necro spirit bonder:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1917779&postcount=51

I'd be inclined to believe Manitoba when he says you can do it on a Mo/Me or Me/Mo with IW.

[ibex333]

Well here's my contribution....
When your anti farm code kicks in on shiroken, you can go kill...... Silent ancient Onata!! (I know he drops a crappy green, but it's fun anyway)

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/3936/onatazc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



I bet you can solo the whole thing there with the right build... but the mesmers own me with diversion. I'm thinking of trying holy veil since that will reduce the diverson to like 2-3 sec, making it managable. If anyone figures it out, let me know.

[Melkorium]

Yay someone else is taking the farm further and killing Kunvie. Managed to do it myself when I start adding IW in case any Shiro'ken didn't drop.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

Well here's my contribution....
When your anti farm code kicks in on shiroken,


Mine hasn't kicked in yet, kill all four groups of Shiro'ken and then /resign every run and it shouldnt for you either.

[onerabbit]

W00t got to kunvie! but the carp killed me! need 2 get to that spot, so they miss me :\ was just dreaming, cuz i got to it



OMG!!! i did it!! no drop though! its really easy, just getting 2 him is hard, i had 41%dp :P
but i done him w00t

he's easy now, no drop yet though :(

[MelechRic]

W00t got to kunvie! but the carp killed me! need 2 get to that spot, so they miss me :\ was just dreaming, cuz i got to it



OMG!!! i did it!! no drop though! its really easy, just getting 2 him is hard, i had 41%dp :P
but i done him w00t

he's easy now, no drop yet though :(

Are you doing it on your Mo/Me or Me/Mo?

[manitoba1073]

W00t got to kunvie! but the carp killed me! need 2 get to that spot, so they miss me :\ was just dreaming, cuz i got to it



OMG!!! i did it!! no drop though! its really easy, just getting 2 him is hard, i had 41%dp :P
but i done him w00t

he's easy now, no drop yet though :(

grats now try fo merki too.

[MelechRic]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/NachosKeeper/Guild%20Wars%20Screens/kunvie_fun.jpg

Time to sell that one staff I did get before prices drop.

[manitoba1073]

i sell kunvies for 35k and merkis sheild for 20k thats what i charge for them dont know about u guys though. i dont think prices will drop that much

[R Langdon]

i sold kurnvies for 35k also. took about 5 min to sell.

[manitoba1073]

yeap thats what i like about it goes fast for that amount lol:D :D :D

[onerabbit]

Are you doing it on your Mo/Me or Me/Mo?

Am using Mo/Me




Also, i tried Merki, cant get past the outcast to lure him:confused:
il keep trying.

[Spellforge]

Guys ,

Can anyone help me with this - total respect to OP by the way.
My Mo/Me can do the first group on the stairs but after that I get hit by shroud of silence and can't get Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond up reliably
I don't wand anything
I was thinking of using Holy Veil (although this means I will be down 3 pips of regen) and maybe Spellbreaker to keep this Hex off of me

How does everyone else deal with Shroud of Silence ?

Thx All

[Permasiel]

I don't wand anything

But you have one. As MANY people already said, just take an axe/sword.

[manitoba1073]

Am using Mo/Me




Also, i tried Merki, cant get past the outcast to lure him:confused:
il keep trying.

i kite the outcasts using conjure nightmare. told u its a great skill also :D :D

hit them with it then run away till they stop following u. then as they r resetting u hit 1 again. just rinse and repeat. it only takes 3 hits from CN to kill one for my mes. but im not sure for a mo/mes as it wont lst as long. might take 4 of them to kill them. just hit one run when the first runs out u hit the it again over and over till u kill them all. and u can do that to all the outcasts and carps here also for more killing. hope that helps :cool:

[onerabbit]

Guys ,

Can anyone help me with this - total respect to OP by the way.
My Mo/Me can do the first group on the stairs but after that I get hit by shroud of silence and can't get Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond up reliably
I don't wand anything
I was thinking of using Holy Veil (although this means I will be down 3 pips of regen) and maybe Spellbreaker to keep this Hex off of me

How does everyone else deal with Shroud of Silence ?

Thx All


Just use the totem axe or any axe or sword with +5 energy and 20% enchants mod. then they wont cast the hexes

[AscalonWarrior]

Wow, many thanks for sharing this build :D

I'll definetly try this today, when I'll get my monk through Unwaking Waters!
Does Shiro'kens drop Golden Phoenix Blades often? Or other golds?

And how about throwing Retribution in? I guess that would make this run even faster.


~AW :ninja:

[Spellforge]

Thanks everyone for the replies - I did go back and find a couple of references to using a melee weapon on page 4 - must have missed them earlier - anyway , thanks again

So - does this mean the AI doesn't consider you a caster class if you have a melee weapon equiped and therefore doesn't consider Shroud of Silence appropriate ?

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

Wow, many thanks for sharing this build :D

I'll definetly try this today, when I'll get my monk through Unwaking Waters!
Does Shiro'kens drop Golden Phoenix Blades often? Or other golds?

And how about throwing Retribution in? I guess that would make this run even faster.


~AW :ninja:
I would think the usefullness of retribution would be tied to the attribute points you are able to spare for smiting, also on how much you mind only having 1 pip of regen. As an Me/MO I have all my spare attribute points in Fast Casting(lvl 9). With both visages up it's crazy fast already. Golds drop fairly often GPBs perhaps 5% of those, and a GPB of any real value is even more rare. Thats why a req8 15^50 GPB goes for 150-250k.

[MelechRic]

So - does this mean the AI doesn't consider you a caster class if you have a melee weapon equiped and therefore doesn't consider Shroud of Silence appropriate ?

Noop... just Shiro'ken Assassins for some reason. If you want to test this run up to a group of Oni with your nifty sword/axe and see how long it takes them to cast Shadow Shroud.

The easiest (and most probable) way that ANet will nerf this is to fix the Shiro'ken Assassins.

[Neriandal Freit]

I dont think they will for a while as it's really not horrdendously profitable, you can get messed up fairly often, and Mesmers are getting their chance to shine just a bit more ;)

[ibex333]

manitoba, when you get a chance, please post a video of you geting from the shiroken to kunvie and merki

[R Langdon]

for those people having trouble to get to merki, pull the pop up outcasts to the first group of shirokens. the shirokens will kill outcasts.

once the pop ups are taken care of, you can pull merki without aggroing any other groups.

still waiting for my first shield drop...

[AscalonWarrior]

Just tried this, works great!

Still not GPB drop, but got forbidden key (nothing great but...)

[MelechRic]

Just tried this, works great!

Still not GPB drop, but got forbidden key (nothing great but...)

Forbidden Key = gold or purple item if you run Raisu Palace. ;)

Got 38 of the so far. When I have a stack of 250 I'll be "CR SI" over in Raisu.

[ChrisCo]

After tryin for about 20 min i got the hang of it, Drops are good, killing them is fun .... BUT one problem is the bloody debilatating shot =(

[MelechRic]

After tryin for about 20 min i got the hang of it, Drops are good, killing them is fun .... BUT one problem is the bloody debilatating shot =(

Hold aggro a bit and let the Warriors and Assassins hit you a bunch. You'll charge right up to full energy. Then move forward a bit and refresh your PS/SB.

I do this all the time while rounding up the Rangers into a tight ball. Then once the Rangers are grouped I refresh PS/SB, run up to them, hit MoR and then AV. Then I wait a bit for them to lose all their energy and then go hit SV.

R.I.P. Shiro'ken.

[Orinn]

Maybe I'm just not lucky today, but it seems as though they've gotten a lot better at interrupting SB/PS. In my last 10 runs, 8 of them, they managed to interrupt one or the other and kill me instantly. Anyone else noticing a difference?

[ibex333]

Here's an advice. To avoid getting interrupted, keep running with the 3 groups of shiroken that you collected from the start. Once you see the 4th group in the very end, stop shorty before you aggro them and quickly cast your mantra of choice followed by a Visage of your choice. Once that's activated, aggro the 4th group and once everyone is on you, cast your second visage. They cant interrupt it because at this time they dont have energy. (I still had that interrupted once or twice but 99.9% of all time it works flawlessly)
Also I suggest you to bring BOTH the mantra of resolve and concentration.


With this new strategy I dont get interrupted at all.... mabe once in every 20 time.

Too bad my drops suck. I dont get golds at all... EVER.
When I first started doing this the golds dropped well every 3 runs or so... The the anti farm code kicked in and I saw the blue message.
I waited about 8 hours..... No golds.... I Started a random mission and quit it right away. Came back to the shiroken... Still no golds....
I wonder what's wrong. Mabe I literally have to wait 24hours?? or do a WHOLE mission?

[MelechRic]

Here's an advice. To avoid getting interrupted, keep running with the 3 groups of shiroken that you collected from the start. Once you see the 4th group in the very end, stop shorty before you aggro them and quickly cast your mantra of choice followed by a Visage of your choice. Once that's activated, aggro the 4th group and once everyone is on you, cast your second visage. They cant interrupt it because at this time they dont have energy. (I still had that interrupted once or twice but 99.9% of all time it works flawlessly)
Also I suggest you to bring BOTH the mantra of resolve and concentration.


With this new strategy I dont get interrupted at all.... mabe once in every 20 time.

Too bad my drops suck. I dont get golds at all... EVER.
When I first started doing this the golds dropped well every 3 runs or so... The the anti farm code kicked in and I saw the blue message.
I waited about 8 hours..... No golds.... I Started a random mission and quit it right away. Came back to the shiroken... Still no golds....
I wonder what's wrong. Mabe I literally have to wait 24hours?? or do a WHOLE mission?

COMPLETE a mission at least once. (Twice is best.) Farming code will be gone.

[Saucy]

I use distortion and barley get inturrupted. For my other free slot I use channeling, I never have energy problems. Drops are horrible though -_-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Wildfire2936/GW/Channeling.jpg

[ChrisCo]

Interupts have gotten CRAZY... and drops have died
maybe cause there was bout 100 me/mo there 10 min ago

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

I don't have issues with inturrupts, I'm still using mantra of resolve with 6 +1 insperation, I just had a GPB drop, not a stunning one however, and I still havent had anti-farming kick in. Timing and killing all 4 groups then /resign ing is still what I recomend.

*edit

I'm still running 6 +3 Fast Casting too.

[manitoba1073]

manitoba, when you get a chance, please post a video of you geting from the shiroken to kunvie and merki

gonna be a few more days till i can upload the video srry. but as R Langdon has said is how u can also get the oucast near merki. once u get past teh carps its easy to get to kunvie.

[cellardweller]

I use distortion and barley get inturrupted. For my other free slot I use channeling, I never have energy problems. Drops are horrible though -_-
/GW/Channeling.jpg[/IMG]
I ran distortion for a while but I found that every 2-3 runs they would miss the wild strike and I'd end up getting ED'd and killed just as fast at the shiroken thanks to famine lol.

[Mistical miss]

To avoid interrupts, just make sure u stand away from the archers, pretty far away if possible, then their savage shot won't hit your skills, as the arrow flight time is just a bit too high. Disrupting stab is annoying, but will be fixed when ur first symp visage comes around..

[manitoba1073]

as u guys know i also use this build in raisu palace explorable :D :D not dropped yet but heres more u can do with this build look at the text as see who dropped an exp scroll for me. u can always do this like i do when drops start sucking. hehe

[Abnaxus]

I also got visages interrupted on the first runs, but the technique is to cast one of the visages as you aggro the first group, then run to aggro the other groups keeping always one visage on. This way when you arrive at the final aggro most foes are already out of mana.

Did more or less 20 runs yesterday, collected 15k, 4 keys, some gold gilded daggers and ... an oni blade from which I salvaged a +30hp ^^ immediately put on the very nice zodiac sword of my warrior.

[Mistical miss]

I managed to kill all the rangers yesterday, its just careful luring and 16 fast casting that do the job there. Usually one or two warriors stay alive after, which you cant kill because there is no one left to cast famine.

They dropped forbidden keys and platinum wands for me... seems like its worth luring carefully.

Gj on killing kai, what do u do with the mesmers ?

[manitoba1073]

avoid them at all costs :p ;) :p

seriuosly just use a bow and pull just him out. use the one group of wars and rangers and he dies really fast lol

[Neriandal Freit]

What is that skill next to Illusionary? I can't seem to reconize it :/

But, for some reason, I changed to having pants on yesterday rather then boots. I kept dieing. So, I put back onmy boots and it's all good :/

But would you guys show a little map of what else we can farm outside Harvest? I'd like to spread it about a bit ;)

[ibex333]

MercuriusTerMaxum, I did a mission and my anti-farm code was gone. I got 3 golds in a row including a req8 GPB when suddenly my drops decreased to almost nothing again. I resign after every run like you said, but it dont help in my case.
Do you kill every single shiroken assasin and ranger? or you leave some every time?
In my case, there's usually 2-3 rangers and 1 assasin left over.

[Mistical miss]

just switch your way of working every now and then (dont kill all, kill all, dont kill all, go to the next groups kill them, kill all, resign/die/teleport while living)
and perhaps switch farming areas every now and then as well.

[MercuriusTerMaxum]

MercuriusTerMaxum, I did a mission and my anti-farm code was gone. I got 3 golds in a row including a req8 GPB when suddenly my drops decreased to almost nothing again. I resign after every run like you said, but it dont help in my case.
Do you kill every single shiroken assasin and ranger? or you leave some every time?
In my case, there's usually 2-3 rangers and 1 assasin left over.
Usually there are a few left, sometimes I am able to get them all. I cast IoW BA MoR and EB then step on the first stair and wait for the first group to come up, cast SB and PS and wait for the ranger to cast famine and clump with the other ranger then run next to the two and cast visage, after the first group is dead I go to the bottom of the stairs cast visage ps sb(in that order) and agro the next 2 groups, after they are dead(usually 1 or 2 rangers left) I cast visage ps sb and agro the final group, once they are dead I /resign. I realize I could agro the 3 final groups but I think the 3 seperate agroes might be what prevents the anti-farm. It might be faster in the long run to go a little slower each run to avoid having to do missions.


edit:Mistal miss has a point, sometimes there is a group stuck at the bottom, sometimes the final group is stuck/running around crazy, I skip the group thats stuck at the bottom, and I just /resign if the fourth group is stuck/running. Sometimes I die then /resign, sometimes I judt die at the end, sometimes I just /resign, sometimes I run to the res shrine and die at the carp.

[ibex333]

Usually there are a few left, sometimes I am able to get them all. I cast IoW BA MoR and EB then step on the first stair and wait for the first group to come up, cast SB and PS and wait for the ranger to cast famine and clump with the other ranger then run next to the two and cast visage, after the first group is dead I go to the bottom of the stairs cast visage ps sb(in that order) and agro the next 2 groups, after they are dead(usually 1 or 2 rangers left) I cast visage ps sb and agro the final group, once they are dead I /resign. I realize I could agro the 3 final groups but I think the 3 seperate agroes might be what prevents the anti-farm. It might be faster in the long run to go a little slower each run to avoid having to do missions.

heh.. that must be it!! I pull all 4 groups on me.. and then i fire off all my ordinance at once!! lol
time to try your strategy for a change... :)

[johan the destroyer]

Ive tried this and it works well, but ive noticed the anti-farming code gets activated FAST. 20 runs with /resign and it activated.

[ibex333]

I noticed that it actually activates a lot faster than that.
True, the blue farm code window comes up after like 20 runs or so... But the drops decrease to almost nothing a lot faster than that.
The pattern is always the same. When you start for your first time, you will get about 3 golds in around 10 runs.(these golds have a good chance of being very good)

After you get these however your drops will go down to only gold, whites, blues and an occasional purple. If you die even once, your drops will ge even worse. If you continue farming, you will get the "blue window of death". :)
I tried /resigning like some people suggested here, but it dont help.
What does help is altering your killing pattern like Mercurius suggested.
You kill groups one buy one on the 1st run, then you kill 2 first ones at the same time, and 2 last ones separately, on the 3rd run you do it in some other way, etc. Following this strategy will slow down the drop decrease rate, but.... your drops will still be decreasing on every run, and your chances of a gold item will be pretty slim.

I noticed that when I use the "alternating kill patterns" strategy + resign, I usually get one gold after being offline for like 8 hours. I log on.. Farm about 10 times, get one gold, and then I am forced to stop cause drops just die.
Doing a mission resets the anti farm code, but after about 10 runs or so, everything goes to shit all over again. :)

[johan the destroyer]

Hmm...ok. I guess I can quickly do Imperial Sanctum after every 10 runs. A 1 minute mission shouldnt cut into the farming time too much.

[ibex333]

Let me know how that goes....

I'm not sure if the shiro mission will work in this case, but if it does that will be great.

[Mistical miss]

hehe, doing the defend droknars forge quest worked for sure, so did doing an UW quest for mass xp, atleast it did for me, the run after the quest I got two golds in a row, one being a +28 hp -2 stance shield req 9, fairly ok drop I guess.

[pork soldier]

IMHO the drop rate in this area has been "adjusted" now, it used to be a lot better than it currently is.

[Anarion Silverhand]

Got 3 gold items in 1 run last night, so for me, the drop rates haven't changed that much. It's still a solid source of income.

[onerabbit]

I given up farming there, never get anything good anymore, 1st run i got a +5 energy GPB, now i dont even get a purple :\ so i cant be assed with it.

[TheYangg]

If anyone is interested, you can download a Video here:
http://files.filefront.com/Kunvie_Firewing_Mo_Merar/;5482549;;/fileinfo.html
I'm Farming the Shiro'ken, as Kunvie Firewing...
I hope you enjoy it

PS.
My droprate is getting worse too...
But I'm getting my money Anyway (1,5k/run)

[manitoba1073]

for those that wondered ho w far i go here heres a map pix

[Batou of Nine]

just tried this build today... debilitating shot owns me. I get denied energy SO much as i just simply try to aggro up and make the ranger ball ups. I have been at this for an hour practicing, but i have prolly like 25% success rate. I get denied energy as i aggro SO much, i often die before i even get a chance to finish balling em up and using SV/AV.

Does no one else have this issue?

[XanderWhilkes]

While aggroing, you just need to slow down a bit before your enchants are going to flash and let the group following you to beat on you for a sec. With BS and EB going, your energy will fill up fairly quickly.

*edit:
I find it's also better to leave a few Rangers alive than to try to ball everyone of them up to kill them all. Kill the majority, pick up your loot, rinse and repeat.

[ibex333]

If anyone is interested, you can download a Video here:
http://files.filefront.com/Kunvie_Firewing_Mo_Merar/;5482549;;/fileinfo.html
I'm Farming the Shiro'ken, as Kunvie Firewing...
I hope you enjoy it

PS.
My droprate is getting worse too...
But I'm getting my money Anyway (1,5k/run)

Ahhh Yangg.... Thank you man!!!
Finally! Great video, and nice music(even though I cant understand a word lol) - wish I had my brother from Berlin here. he'd translate. heh

[Neriandal Freit]

Aye, you think you could attempt to put that video up on YouTube? I'm having issues attempting ot watch it :(

[matt the man]

wat is so special that they drop
like any gold gpb?

[matt the man]

also i cant seem to kill them all...and are u supposed to be able to kill the rangers

[Dr Ripley]

also i cant seem to kill them all...and are u supposed to be able to kill the rangers

Depends on how well you can avoid being interrupted. I usually gather the first four groups before getting down to business, and at that point there is usually a large congregation of rangers standing together behind me. So... I usually turn around and lead all the assassins and tanks back a few paces to the ranger mob and then kill them all off. As someone said earlier however, the closer you are to the rangers, the more chances you have be being interrupted apparently. I usually start casting SV or AV on the run, then I have no problems casting the second one after being stationary due to the mob being out of energy already. I still have a couple of rangers left afterwards, but I just tell myself that they wouldn't have dropped anything good anyways and resign.

Oh, and excuse the brief moment of noobness, but what does 'GPB' mean?

[MelechRic]

Oh, and excuse the brief moment of noobness, but what does 'GPB' mean?

GPB = Golden Phoenix Blade

[matt the man]

and do u get golds a lot...or if ur just lucky

[Age]

I was wondering if useing someting simliar to the 605 build as a Mo/W with SoJ and Cyclone Axe along with your normal PoS,HB,Bonetti's,Mending,Balth. spirit and an open slot?

[matt the man]

i already got a golden pheonix blad