Banished God in Nightfall?..

[Storm Crow]

(Not sure if this goe here, but, whatever.)

Just a speculation, but I believe that the Banished God in the storyline blog for Nightfall may be related to the missing Elementalist god. Could anyone with higher insight than myself spread some light over this subject? :D Thanks!

[Griev]

There is no missing elementalist god.. Elementalists worship the god that pertains to the specific element they use.

[Ira Blinks]

Rodgort? :eek:

[Sai Rith]

OR Trogdor!

[jackie]

Maybe it's the Ex-God of Death that is mentioned in the Four Horseman quest

Though Grenth won 'it' 5-0 so not sure if the God is still alive somewhere.

[scrinner]

Banished god= Guy making all the chaos guys that invaded tyria and cantha

[Plushie Penguin]

I'm thinking it is the death god grenth over threw
a quote from wiki
"Grenth wasn't always the god of death. The previous death god was Dhuum, but Grenth destroyed his tower and killed him and took control over the Underworld."

[Guardian of the Light]

O NOES ITS THE ALMIGHTY BANISHED GOD CHUCK NORRIS!!!!

j/k :D

Dhuum does sound like the BANISHED god we're looking for.

[Avarre]

Dhumm kinda dead hihi. Though eradication never stopped a storyline! :D

My vote still goes towards Menzies, you know, the one in charge of the legions of Shadow, including the Darknesses? That said, Dhumm is cooler.

[Raxxman]

Dhumm's name sounds too much like Dumb..

Though it would be cool.

[Avarre]

It's pronounced more like 'doom', I'd hope ;)

[Plushie Penguin]

you can't kill a god, and even if he was killed, he would come back to the underworld since he is dead

[Francis Demeules]

I say the same thing like Avarre: I vote Menzies too

And Penguin, perhaps not killing a god, I rather say to banish him, to seal him so he can't escape again.

[Dylanowns]

Pandora's Box ftw
WTS PANDORAS BOX 100k +50,000 ectos!!!!111!!one!!!!!!

[Unkemptwolf]

Its gotta be Menzies. I mean, hes the god of shadow, banished (and held at bay) by the forces of Balthazarr. Who else could fit better for a game entitled "Nightfall"?

[Goats17]

True, although it will be entertaining if Nightfall comes out and it isn't Menzies :O

But it probably will be.

[Bar Fight]

i just think its kinda wierd how there trying to string these stories along. like with old Tombs being overrun and them having to implement the battle isle cuz of the chaos rift and such. Who knows, maybe all that 2 man UW farming pissed the guy off too much and now he wants some revenge for us disgracing his honor/pride. Heh anywho. Ill be interested to see how it turns out. (These new classes are weak sauce for PvP so far btw)

[Makaelthos Solcry]

menzies AND dhuum i say.

[Venice Queen]

I've been saying Menzies all along =P

[Captain Arne Is PRO]

Victo :)

[Avarre]

Victo is a shadow warrior, a servant of Menzies :p I don't think he's immortal (the guy is dead and farmed into the dust, after all!)

[Elena]

actually i think Victo is a ghostly hero who got pwnzorred by the chaos when they invaded the tombs hence why they got his stuff

[Avarre]

Except for the fact that Victo's weapons are all shadow or dark-color weapons, that might have made more sense =/

Unless all the weapons were corrupted..

[yeah_hi]

I wonder if Menzies is pronounced 'Men-zees', or 'Ming-is' as per the 'traditional' Scottish pronunciation (http://www.nakedtranslations.com/en/2006/01/000562.php)?

Trivial I know, just curious! I think 'Ming-is' sounds more evil, but then again I'm probably just associating it with Ming The Merciless :)

[Sereng Amaranth]

Flash!!! Aaahhhh!

[Mera Regila]

It can't, simply can't be Lord Victo. A few reasons here:

1. He was NOT a god, he was a Lord of Orr, a long dead society, when the Charr invaded Orr, they destroyed it. *SPOILERS* AND Vizier Khilborn used the Forbidden Magic to try and save Orr, which, in turn, destroyed it.

2. Lord Victo is DEAD, that is why his Weapons are dropped by The Darknesses in TOPK insinuates that he died battling The Darknesses and they took his weapons.

[Mera Regila]

If anyone here has ever done all of the FoW, or at least read up on it. They would know that Menzies failed to take the Fissure due to the efforts of the ascended heroes (us) thwarting the Shadow Army at every turn during their attmpts to take the Fissure of Woe from Balthazar's control.

Idk what this has to do with it, but Menzies is in the Fissure isn't he, trying in vain to steal it from Balthazar and his Ascended Heroes. I really dont think the god will have anything to do with Nightfall at all.

[lapsus]

Or maybe some sort of Dhuum/menzies combo. Like Dhuums shattered soul (soul magic is popular these days) has like attached itself to menzies.

[DarthLasing]

Victo is a elonian king I believe..
Could someone tell me who Menzies is and where to get the four horsemen quest? It looks quite intresting, I want to get more into this thread.

[B§x¿44¶»1@$]

Or perhaps Victo, just like Illian and Elswyth are all generals of the Shadow Army. That's why they are the ones looming over the Hall of Hero's...

[Avarre]

Victo is a elonian king I believe..
Could someone tell me who Menzies is and where to get the four horsemen quest? It looks quite intresting, I want to get more into this thread.

Menzies is the half-brother of Balthazar, and has named himself Lord of Destruction in an attempt to usurp Balthazar.

The Four Horsemen can be taken from the Reaper of the Chaos Planes, in the deep underworld.

[Roupe]

My Guess is its Menzies, I think Menzies have aquired some of Dhuums power (the remnant energies (storms of chaos, etc), and has been roaming the underworld & mists for more power & minions.

Thus some of the servants that once followed Dhuum, now follows Menzies -since Menzies has some of the remnant energies of Dhuum.

[Numa Pompilius]

Menzies might be the main badguy, but if so I bet the story arcs around reassembling Dhuum.

[DarthLasing]

Thank you Avarre.
The four horsemen!! wtf! Armegeddon referance here!

[Giga Strike]

i get menzies but where r u getting duhmm? ive never heard of him. also i wonder if any of the guild wars creators are homestar runner fans since rodgort is trogdor spelled backwards. also, maybe menzies is the assassin god. so far the assassin has been thrown under lyssa but maybe they do have their own.

[Relambrien]

From what I remember from other posts around Guru

Menzies is to Balthazar as Dhuum is to Grenth

In other words, Menzies tried to take over the Fissure of Woe, and Dhuum, iirc, had some grudge against Grenth, and so tried to take over the Underworld or something. However, Grenth defeated him, possibly with the Ascended heroes' help.

So the reason these two are the most speculated is that they are already explained in the game, and both fit the role of a "banished" or "outcast" god.

EDIT: The forum didn't like my analogy shorthand so I did away with it.
EDIT 2: Fixed some mistaken wording.

[Gorebrex]

SPOILER ALERT!








































The banished god is Gwen! No longer trapped, merely a shadow of her former power, she is released from her being bound in the little girl's body, AND IS SERIOUSLY PO'D!:D

[DarthLasing]

Gwen is dead and doing serving grenth as his ^^
We all know that.

[Goats17]

From what I remember from other posts around Guru

Menzies is to Balthazar as Dhuum is to Grenth



Close, but not quite. Menzies is to Balthazar as Grenth is to Dhuum. The story goes that Dhuum was the origianal god of Death. Grenth overthrew him.

[Kijik Oni Hanryuu]

this does tie in the..the original tombs was HoH, in HoH you earn Balthazar's Faction, so HoH=Balthazar and Menzies got beat back at FoW so he bid his time.. when he saw that the ascended heros who beat him were prepping to enter cantha, and thus leaving the Tombs Menzies knew he could strike back at Balthazar by taking Tombs, this takeover thusallowed Menzies to build up his strength enough to attack Cantha..for unknown reason, but nonetheless he attacked.. and now in Nightfall..he has finally built up enough of an army to strike at Elona a weakened nation due to the loss of its heroes in the crystal desert. And if Menzies takes Elona then he has an entire LAND under his control.. this...would not be good for us.. just my specualtion..

[OMFGimCUTE]

what about the Darvishes and paragons gods?

[Avarre]

Dervishes worship all gods, and Paragons could fall under Balthazar.

[Mrscoombes]

It was rurik all along. His faggy ways caused great rage among the gods, so one of the lessers went out and sat his fat ass on Elona.

A large shadow has fallen across the lands, indeed it is so large that it can't get itself back up again. So they make us do it for them.

[Sam Stormwind]

Yeh its gotta be menzies, perhaps a new god. We shall see.

[Eldin]

I'm thinking it's Menzies. We've already encountered Elonians, and know some stuff about their culture, so I wouldn't be surprised if ol' Menzies and his Shadow Army from the FoW reappeared.

[shadow ranger]

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7341/thefuryni2.png

I wonder if this dude plays a part in it. O.o

[Goats17]

He'll probably play a part. but he isn't a god. He's only lvl 30. A god would be at least.................255?

[draxynnic]

He'll probably play a part. but he isn't a god. He's only lvl 30. A god would be at least.................255?

He could be the god, actually. Admittedly in a weakened state, and if he shows up later I'd expect him to get his own model rather than a transparent Necrid Horseman, but still...

And the question should be asked: What exactly did he hope to gain by destroying the Celestial Essences? Were the ones his minions exploded actually destroyed, or was that their way of harvesting them?

[Storm Crow]

He'll probably play a part. but he isn't a god. He's only lvl 30. A god would be at least.................255?
I lol'd at the last bit...><

[some guy]

Dhuum or Menzies, that's my guess.

[Aggravaar]

He'll probably play a part. but he isn't a god. He's only lvl 30. A god would be at least.................255?

I don't think so. If I know Anet we'll have to kick some godly buttocks in the last Nightfall mission. Oldschool fantasy - there must be the big boss in the end.

[Neriandal Freit]

There is you guys, like I think, I believe in Chapter Five we will be with the gods basically and playing a massive role.

All of us must know we're just living a book, and these chapters have someone doing everything. Eventually, say past Chapter Five, but just by a few, we will start reading a new book (and involving some of the same people.)

[Prefectus]

:eek: well in the sake of plot twists:eek: ... i see Dhuum and Menzies teaming up to take over but in the "end" are :ninja: killed by something even the 5 true gods fear:ninja: we team up with the gods becuse they have no choice but to return to tryia, to reasembile the blood stone and use the amazing power to save the day:D

[Aggravaar]

we team up with the gods becuse they have no choice but to return to tryia, to reasembile the blood stone and use the amazing power to save the day:D
...or cast the weaklings into the Abyss, claim the lands of Tyria, Cantha and Elona, and proclaim ourselves Gods!

*evil laugh here*

[Goats17]

Muahahahahahaha! I like that storyline better. ^_^

[Prefectus]

lol OMG you killed grenth you basterd!

[Avarre]

Comments now that we have a name for the 6th Banished god?

[penguo]

If you watched the beginning video after creating a nightfall pve character you saw some guy activate this six eyed stone head thing. Maybe something with 6 eyes like.
:) :)
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Like that....

[Neriandal Freit]

Do we Avarre? I haven't played the preiview event much, I just dont like know that my Elonian characters are gonna be cleaned and restarted.

[Avarre]

If you preordered (like I did), in the booklet you'll see a depiction of the Avatar of Abaddon (the name of the 6th god). It has a metal mask, six eyes as penguo saw, bladed teeth and tentacle-like hair. On page 6 (in my little booklet) there's a particularly awesome concept art picture. You find out the name after completing the second mission, Varesh says 'Praise Abaddon!' and they are mentioned more often after that by Varesh's general.

My impression is the last boss will be Varesh Ossa, in a Dervish form of the Avatar of Abaddon.

Oh yeah. I told you guys it wasn't gonna be Dhumm, but noooo ;)

Here's the picture for those of you that don't have the preorder :

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/235/abbadonwn9.png



Lyssa would still crush him though, Mesmers forever!

[Neriandal Freit]

Well, that means we have several known gods (Grenth, Lyssa, Melandru, Dwayna, Balthazar, Menzies, Dhumm, Abbandon, and the three demideities of Cantha (mentioned in the booklet))

Excellent, Excellent.

[Avarre]

Menzies is only a demigod. He does not constitute one of the Six.

Dhumm is dead. Dead and gone, reduced to a memory of the reapers and riders. Let's not start this again unless there is proof of his existance that's less than thousands of years ago when he died. The fact that Grenth defeated him and his armies before Grenth even gained a single convert shows that should he ever return, the inexorable conclusion would be Grenth coming to slap him into tears.

There are five prime gods, and one banished.

You guys are like the worshippers of Abbadon, who found some ruins proclaiming he was banished and started worshipping him. The only difference is Abbadon was banished, and Dhumm was killed. Sure, the dev's might bring him back, but until then, all theories involving Dhumm are in the same catagory as those involving Gwen - baseless jokes.

[Neriandal Freit]

No no, I'm not saying Dhumm is active and kicking. I'm just saying we now know of several gods. My way of thinking is that a god is still a god even if that god was killed.

But, I can't believe me or you haven't thought of this before Avarre...Abaddon's Mouth (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Abaddon%27s_Mouth_%28Location%29)!

A bit of Trivia from Guildwiki (and on that page also):

Abaddon is an English translation of a Hebrew word meaning destruction/ruin, the realm of the dead or the angel-prince of hell.

Now, it looks like someone spelt something wrong some where. For one way we're spelling it Abbadon, and another way we're spelling it Abaddon.

Now, we could say it's not the same, but, I'm suspecting it is..

[Avarre]

Probably me misspelling it. I'll go fix that.

Technically, there are many immortal spirits. Turai Ossa is immortal as well. However the designation 'God' is as much a title as a mortal status. Therefore Dhumm is no longer a god.

And yes, I knew the meaning of Abaddon, but I never thought there would be a god for it... just thought the volcano had been named because it was a destructive volcano :p

[penguo]

Now that we know that that stone thing was activated, what does it do and who was it. Did he do it willingly or just seeing what it was? Interesting stuff....

Lol and if played right mesmers can crush most anything. Sadly mine is only level 11 or 12.

[Thomas.knbk]

WTF??
I preordered but I didn't get anything!!!! zOmG we Dutchies always get the red engine stuff!!!!11!!11!!11

[Earth]

WTF??
I preordered but I didn't get anything!!!! zOmG we Dutchies always get the red engine stuff!!!!11!!11!!11
What does that even have to do with this topic...?

[Ajoo]

Well, i still think Abbaddon is related to Dhuum. I think they're the same, only different names.
As u can see in the NPE, Abbaddon has control over the dead just like grenth and part of his army is composed by Banished Dream Riders: the riders of Dhuum.

[Amity and Truth]

I wouldn't be too surprised to see everyone's favorite dragons playing a huge part in the whole mess (as in: Glint and Kuunavang). The banished god seems to have certain serpent like features, the image that was written on the wall also looks like a serpent of some sort (it somewhat resembles that image you can see in Ascalon).

Could the banished god be the god of the forgotten ones? They were brought to Tyria by the gods. Maybe Abbadon was the one that was in charge here?

When his people started to lose against the humans and their gods he might also have lost his powers. He maybe turned against his fellow gods out of anger for them supporting the humans. The reason why the gods were able to banish him for good. Glint and Kuunavang might both have been Demigods to their people and along with the Forgotten have been - forgotten.
The whole point of ascension seems to be downright absurd. Do several trials to get the focus of the gods. Win the hard trials and after all - you're teleported into Glint's Dungeon - a dragon, not a god whose attention you wanted...

Glint is the one to cast the prophecy that probably started the whole mess in Tyria.
And strangely enough, the scepter of Orr just disappears. Could it have been an aspect of the banished god? One of the pieces the god actually was banished INTO? Maybe it had to be destroyed at a certain place so the essence could return...

And while Kuunavangs Influence is questionable for the lack of background information, it's also a bit strange that such a powerful dragon would bent before such a weakling as Shiro.
It could moreover be a masquerade. Act as the poor and weak dragon and then be the downfall of Shiro at a perfect time - after he was used as a tool to link the Worlds together.

Just a thought and probably wrong anyways :P

[Gwmaster]

Well Guys i think i found a little hint in the 3rd mission.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/sfx-blade/GeneralKahyet.jpg

[Avarre]

That name is mentioned in the post-mission cinematic after Mission 2 as well, you know ;)

Well, i still think Abbaddon is related to Dhuum. I think they're the same, only different names.
As u can see in the NPE, Abbaddon has control over the dead just like grenth and part of his army is composed by Banished Dream Riders: the riders of Dhuum.

Proof?

Grenth controls the dead because he controls the Underworld. The Dream Riders have had no leader for thousands of years and most likely only want to wreak havoc now.

We'll get more evidence later.

[Eldin]

Now that we know that that stone thing was activated, what does it do and who was it. Did he do it willingly or just seeing what it was? Interesting stuff....

Lol and if played right mesmers can crush most anything. Sadly mine is only level 11 or 12.
IMO, that was merely a sunspear casting some sort of analysis spell on the statue to examine it.

Second, that statue looks oddly familiar from somewhere...but where?

Third, it is spelled A B A D D O N.

Fourth, Abaddon is most definitely some sort of demonic/evil God. Why else name the caldera of the Volcano on the Ring of Fire, which, in the travel description, is a gateway to hell/the underworld, after him?

Fifth, I'm with Avarre - forget about Dhuum. He is long gone, and exists in the lore primarily as an excuse to come up with some cool renegade Dream Riders, and shed a bit more lore on the Underworld.

[Omega X]

Well, i still think Abbaddon is related to Dhuum. I think they're the same, only different names.
As u can see in the NPE, Abbaddon has control over the dead just like grenth and part of his army is composed by Banished Dream Riders: the riders of Dhuum.

The Lich had control over the dead also.

I believe that Abbadon's role was quite different from Dhuum.

His power deals with manipulation over matter/space so far. He could have been the lord of dimensions.

[Urban_Nomad]

Well Guys i think i found a little hint in the 3rd mission.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/sfx-blade/GeneralKahyet.jpg

"Jeepers, creepers, where'd you get those peepers..."

Sorry, I started humming that after I saw the picture :p

By the way, I'm pretty sure that the Sunspear that was doing whatever with that statue was Kormir.... Certainly food for thought.

[Carl Butanananowski]

Rodgort?

OR Trogdor!

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